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Ep 14: Human Design: Unlocking your true self with Peg Cleland
Unlock the secrets of your true self with our special guest, Peg Cleland, who joins us to illuminate the intricate world of human design. With a foundation in education and fitness, Peg's transformative journey into human design began during the pandemic, setting the stage for her impactful work today. Her insights, drawn from years of experience and travel in the fitness industry, offer listeners a unique glimpse into how human design can enhance self-awareness and authenticity in personal and professional spheres.
Explore the depths of your individuality as we discuss the foundational elements of human design, rooted in astrology, The I Ching, Kabbalah, chakra systems and quantum physics. We promise you'll gain a new perspective on the traditional personality tests, realizing how human design offers a static blueprint that remains untainted by life's conditioning. From understanding defined and undefined centers to discovering your unique energy type, this episode guides listeners through the transformative potential of human design in fostering deeper connections and personal growth.
Joining the conversation, we unravel the complexities of the five energy types: generators, manifesting generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifestors. Learn how trusting your instincts and aligning with your energy can lead to a more fulfilling life. With Peg's expert guidance, get inspired to explore your own chart and integrate these insights, whether navigating relationships, parenting, or business. Embrace this journey of self-discovery and transformation, and let human design illuminate your path to a life of authenticity and purpose.
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you're listening to the love movement with your host, britney and brian johnston. We're starting a movement centered around love to help raise the vibration of this beautiful planet if that's your vibe, hang out with us as we chat about many topics all centered around three main pillars Loving yourself, Loving each other and loving the planet. So if you're ready, let's jump in. Welcome everybody to episode 14 of the Love Movement. I'm so excited to be here today. We are so excited to be here today. Brian's here.
Speaker 2:I'm here.
Speaker 1:With our really good friend, peg Cleland, who is here to talk all about human design. If you know us, you probably have heard of Peg talked to Peg she's already read your chart but there are really so many people that have no idea what human design is when I talk about it. So I'm very excited for this episode. And just to give you guys a bit of background, peg and I realized we've known each other for 15 years already. That's weird. That is weird, yeah, long time.
Speaker 1:And I feel like it took me about two years to even get the guts to talk to you, because, if you don't know, this Peg was my instructor at Good Life Fitness and I would go to the gym every morning and like think to myself because, you know, I have my own business too, and I was like I really want to tell her about it. And so, long story short, I signed up for I don't know like a boot camp.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was a boot camp.
Speaker 1:And I think the first session you were like I think I want to learn more about what you're offering here. And then I was like do I have to keep doing this boot camp class? Anyways, now we Now we've been in business together for 12, over 12 years, and through that you also got involved with human design, which is what we're here to talk about today. So Peg is a mom, a really good mom, and she has two kids that I think of sometimes. I mean, when we met, what were they? Five and seven, six and eight something.
Speaker 3:Not well, almost, I guess, yeah, seven and nine, maybe Seven and nine.
Speaker 1:That sounds more accurate.
Speaker 3:But they were little, my littles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 20 and 22. Now, right, you said.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my son is 22 and living in New Zealand, so they're all grown up and moved as far away as possible, but I just booked my tickets. We're going to visit them in May.
Speaker 1:Oh so good, Awesome yeah, love that.
Speaker 3:My daughter's 20. And my daughter's, my daughter's 20, and yeah, so they're they're my world.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love it, and Peg is a woman full of wisdom and many accolades, which I'm going to get you to like list off as much as you hate doing that. But I just think it's so cool how, how much you've done in your life and how, like you said, the thread through all of it is kind of like educating, and I met you through fitness and then we do that through our other business, and then now you're doing this big time with human design. So I feel like it's just, it's who you are, it's your human design.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah it is, and I, um, I did get into education right out of high school, went to university, and so educating it started as a teacher. I did teach school and I taught phys ed, taught little grade one kids, and that was. I also have a love of children, and so obviously that's what has helped me be, as I say, an exceptional mom.
Speaker 2:You're also very youthful. It's helped you stay very youthful. Stay very youthful, that's right.
Speaker 3:Thank you, brian. So, true, yeah, and so education in the school system then turned into fitness, and then my love of sort of fitness and that kind of educating took over and it really turned into my life's work. I traveled the world, many interesting places I was going through photo albums the other day, so great pictures of me doing a Nike event in Moscow Traveled through Brazil a little bit for some work, went to Perth, australia, for five weeks, lived in Germany, so I've really had and it's funny, I forget these things. And every once in a while Haley says mom, you've been to a lot of places, which is true, and in all those places it's always been about people, and so I think that's where energy. I just love the energy of people, even though I am and it's in my chart I'm a bit of a hermit.
Speaker 3:I can be on the introverted side, but when I'm doing what I love to do, which is what comes through as a generator, I yeah, I can be an extrovert. And so the thought of teaching fitness when I was in my twenties was like I could never do that. I could never stand in front of a group of people, and now you couldn't get me off the stage, like I love to share it with people. So it's all about energy, and then human design kind of came in about well, 2020, when none of us were doing much of anything for a while yeah.
Speaker 3:And I took an online course and she was. It wasn't about human design, that first one, but she mentioned it and I'd it was like the second or third time I'd heard this human design thing, and so I just got curious and looked into it and that was the start of this. I just got so interested I took a certification course and now, you know, I do readings and courses for various different topics. Because human design, because it's about humans and energy and we're all humans with energy and we relate to other people, we're in relationships, we're in work environments, we have children. There's so many ways that I mean you can use it in your life and benefit from knowing about it.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of how I got started and, yeah, Well, and when you were learning I don't know if you were teaching some of your early courses or something, but I got all caught up in that and it was perfect timing because I was very overdue with my son and I just remember that I remember my visions just being like bouncing on my ball and doing learning human design. It was such a great distraction for me and when we had our son, it was well, how quickly did you? You went on your phone and like figured out his human design.
Speaker 2:We were so into it. It must have been within hours of him being born. Yeah, I pulled the phone out and pull up his human design and it's like cool brian's a really rare breed which we'll talk about um being a reflector.
Speaker 1:So we were kind of like, do you think he's a reflector? And he was, like his mom, a manny gen manifesting generator. So we're gonna jump in and tell you what all this is about. But I first peg like when someone says to you what is is human design, because I don't want anybody on here thinking like this is too woo, because there's a lot of science behind this. How do you describe it?
Speaker 3:Well, I guess we sometimes say it's a blend of science and spirituality, but it's yeah. So some of the modalities I guess that are blended in there are astrology, and you know, astrology is scientific, but a lot of people might view astrology as the woo-woo side, but it is some science. So astrology the Chinese I Ching, which is centuries old, so ancient Chinese wisdoms come through the Kabbalah tree of life, the chakra system, which I think is often what people, when they see their chart, they see those little energy centers, and so the chakra system is something most people have heard about. They see those little energy centers, and so the chakra system is something most people have heard about. So, and with that in mind, if anybody wants to pause the podcast and go get their chart done so they can see what their little you know chakra centers look like, you can actually go to mybodygraphcom and just look up your chart. You need your birth time, place and date, so, and it needs to be as close as you can get to your time of birth, because it makes a difference.
Speaker 3:And so back to what human design is based on astrology. It's where the planets line up when you're born, so that's where the astrology comes in. But instead of just being one of the 12 star signs, human design takes it to the next, next, next level. So I say it's like astrology on crack. But that's why your birth time is important is because at the moment of your birth, when your skin comes into the world, that's when a baby is imprinted with the energy of the stars and the planets lined up in that particular order. And this is also where the science part comes in, because quantum physics has proven that in our atmosphere there are things called neutrinos and it's like the smallest subatomic particle around and they're just floating around us like stardust floating through us. They're there and so at the moment of your birth, those neutrinos are what give you your blueprint. And because neutrinos have been proven to have a mass scientifically, they have a mass. Anything with mass carries information. So the information in the atmosphere at the.
Speaker 3:Moment of your birth is what imprints you with your unique blueprint.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's the science. Yeah, so yeah. When I first heard about this, I thought it was going to be like everything else, like astrology and Myers Briggs and all those different things.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then when we actually got into it and I seen how dead on it was about me and you and everyone, I'm like, wow, okay, well, this is way deeper than I thought. It's. Yeah, it's very accurate. It's not a surface level generic thing. It's some legit stuff to it.
Speaker 3:So yeah, and I think that's um, like I said, sometimes I call it astrology on crack because it takes astrology and then it differentiates you more and more and more. So, you know, with the, with the Zodiac signs, I'm a, I'm a Virgo, other people are Virgos, but we could be very, very different Virgos and there's no real explanation for that. It's you're kind of lumped into one generic Virgos. This is what a Virgo is mostly like, but in human design we have so many different. You know, there's centers, there's gates, there's channels, there's profile lines, there's all the different planetary things. It's just so much that makes you unique and I often think of the word homogenization. Much that makes you unique.
Speaker 3:And I often think of the word homogenization because, as I've said, this human design is really designed for children. If we can catch kids early, like Marty, two hours into his birth, you knew who he was, because then you can start to parent. I know you have Parent according to who he is truly at birth, not who he has been conditioned to be, because that's what happens to us after we're born is. You know, our parents nurture us, but nurturing is a form of conditioning, because the way you parent is maybe the way your parents parented, so you were conditioned by them and so and there's traditions and there's society and there's education systems and there's teachers, and then there's your peer group and every little bit of stuff throughout your life conditions you and changes you maybe just a little bit from who you were naturally at birth. So human design was really it's really promoted to be used for children, to keep them as authentic as they were born and not change them over time, can you?
Speaker 2:imagine if we all just walked around life in our full, authentic selves, how different the world would be.
Speaker 3:It would be amazing, so different. Yeah, and I think human design is an opportunity, kind of a permission slip. We say it's a permission slip to experiment with, maybe who you were, because when I do readings, when I do readings, sometimes people think, well, that doesn't really sound like me, but if maybe they played around with it a bit, they'd go. It doesn't maybe sound like me, but it sure sounds like something I could get on board with. And maybe it's a gift that I've forgotten because somebody conditioned it out of me throughout my lifetime and has changed me and shut me down in that way that I was meant to shine. So, yeah, it's really a wonderful way to move away from homogenization and generalization of you know, you're a Virgo, you're a Leo, you're a this to no, you're so much more than that. Instead of homogenizing our children through their lifetime, we can differentiate them and treat them so much more individually.
Speaker 1:I think that's where Understand them so much better. You know, when I learned about Brian being as unique as he is, you call him a unicorn. It's like everything makes sense, honestly, and so I think in a partnership it's so important, and for sure, raising kids and if you're in business with other people, it just allows you to understand why people are the way that they are and to be like great, like, let them be like that, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, can you?
Speaker 1:explain quickly, because I love when you share the difference between human design and say like a personality test.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, because there's a lot of tests out there and they're fun. I like to take them too, but you know, a lot of people know what their Enneagram is. They've done the Myers-Briggs or the DISC personality test. But the thing with those is it's it's a test, like you're taking a quiz and you're answering the questions, whereas human design, it's given to you in your birth, it's your birth information, it's it's um. The universe gave it to you, basically the energy around you at your birth.
Speaker 3:So with personality tests, if I took it in my 20s, I would probably choose different answers. I was a different person in my 20s. I've grown a lot since then. We don't need to know how many years away from there I am, but a lot of years, um, and so I know that if I took the test again same test I would have different answers or I might choose answers according to what I think sounds good. And that's something that influences a lot of us in our daily lives, as we make choices based on what we think we should choose what would sound good. We make vision boards based on what we think Doesn't everybody want this type of life. You know we try to homogenize our vision boards.
Speaker 2:It's like externally influenced instead of internally. What's true?
Speaker 3:Yep and external validation, where we're so often looking outside of ourselves, when everything, all your power, is inside you and human design, really get kind of digs into what that is. What are your little secret gifts in there?
Speaker 1:I love that. I think, if you're listening to this, you guys, I would stop and encourage you to get your chart and to see, because what you're first going to notice, one I don't know, peg, how you want to go into this, but like the defined and undefined, because I think it's human nature, we see a chart that's colored in and we're like, oh, I have a better chart than you.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's not the case. So let's jump in Like, let's talk about the actual chart, because this is so fascinating. Yeah, and I think it is a human characteristic to that whole comparison thing and we we are, so we do this is good, this is bad, this is better, this is worse. And what you said is so true.
Speaker 3:When people look at their chart and I was guilty of this when I got my chart most of my centers are white. Seven of them are white and I have two of them that are colored in and we call those colored ones defined, and the white ones are undefined or open. There's a slight difference, but they're undefined and I looked at it and I thought, well, they're not colored in, that means it's unfinished, I'm incomplete, I only have two. I ran my daughter's chart. She has seven colored and only two white ones. So of course, hers must be better. It looks better. It's like a coloring book yeah, mine's not finished and hers is looking great. And it would be the same thing for, like, marty has every single center defined We'll talk about him and Brian has every single center white, but it's perfect for Brian.
Speaker 3:It's who Brian is and, as he said when he learned more about it. It's like, oh, that makes sense. Oh, totally, everything clicked. And then you heard about you. It's like, yes, that's so true. Oh, that's Brittany. Like it's just so bang on so often that I don't think you can argue with it. You know once you learn more. So, yeah, the defined and undefined. And so when your centers are defined, they're colored. It means that you are emitting that energy, you have access to it, it's coming out of you 24-7. You're born with it and it's coming out when the centers are white, it means that you are more taking in the energy of other people in those centers. So, brian, as an example, with all white centers being a reflector, he takes in energy from everybody.
Speaker 2:It's hard to walk around, as me some days.
Speaker 3:Let me tell you True, so true and we will talk about reflectors and we'll dive more into that a little bit. But yeah, that's what your centers are, what you're giving out and maybe what you're taking in and the centers that are white. At first you might think, well, that's you know. Again, that's bad, because I'm not. I don't have my own energy to give out in those centers. But I've learned to really love my centers that are open because you can sample and you can let it go Like you can take in some thoughts from other people and their perspectives, but you can also be very open-minded and let their thoughts go and choose something different. Like it's there's. There's benefit to both and it's just perfect for you.
Speaker 2:There's no good or bad. Charts are like a fingerprint, right Like. Every one is different.
Speaker 3:Everyone is different. We sometimes say like a fingerprint or a snowflake. Or I often, you know, say that we're like a big puzzle, an 8 billion piece puzzle in the world, and everybody has their own piece.
Speaker 1:That's a good way.
Speaker 3:And so, instead of all trying to fit into somebody else's piece oh, I want to be that, I should be that. No, if you try to be everybody else, then we don't have your piece to finish this puzzle.
Speaker 2:So we all need to live into our own little unique part of the puzzle. Yeah, I've been looking at life more like every single person is like another unique expression of this. You know intelligence. That's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I love that. Oh my gosh, this is already so good, just learning about this and getting a refresher. So if you're looking at your chart, you can kind of see, okay, so that's what this means, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then there's also maybe just to describe when. When the centers light up yeah, I'll say light up. When they color, the colors in particular don't matter, because some charts are different. So if the if you're looking at yellow or green or Brown, that doesn't matter. That's just to sort of separate the chart so we can visually see it. The color itself doesn't represent anything, just that it's either, you know, defined or it's undefined. And the reason the centers become defined is because there's a channel between them. It's like a little bit of an electric current and if it goes completely from one to the other, those two centers on either end light up and become defined.
Speaker 1:Okay, before we go into the five energy types, is there anything else that you want to describe about, like the actual looking of at a chart, or like what all those centers are, or no?
Speaker 3:Well, we could just briefly go through them, I guess. So at the very top you mean like the crown center, and I always use my hands. But if you're not watching this, so at the very top you mean like the crown center, and I always use my hands. But if you're not watching this, but at the very, very top you'll see a triangle at the top. That's your crown or your head center, and that's a center of inspiration, like taking in ideas from the world around you. The next center, down from that and it looks right mid face or mid head, that is your mind. It's also called your Ajna, but if you just want to think of it as your mind, it's like a computer processor. It's where you process things, information that comes in.
Speaker 3:And the one thing with that center that is not good sometimes is that we do a lot of thinking in our heads about some of our decisions and we're going to talk. We don't make we shouldn't make decisions from our head, because it's a processing center. And the other thing that's up there is a lot of limiting beliefs or just beliefs, conditioned beliefs, things you learned as a kid that you've continued on with. That maybe aren't true, you've never questioned them, but it's a processing center. That one, the one at the throat, is the throat center, so there's a little square there. And that one is the center of manifestation. We call it, but it doesn't mean that if you don't have it you can't manifest. It's sort of a different meaning to it and again, we can't go as deep as it would be for 12 hours talking about everything, but it is the center that brings things out into the material world, whether that's communication, activation, manifestation, so, and a lot of the channels we say all channels lead to the throat, or all roads lead to the throat.
Speaker 3:When you look at a chart, they all end up there. The one underneath it which is a diamond shape, and on the mybodygraphcom it's a yellow color. If yours is defined, that's the identity center or the G center, and it is a center that has the energy of self-love, direction and identity in life. Um, and again, I want to just make sure that everybody knows just because yours is white and it's undefined, it doesn't mean that you have no self-love or you have no identity. It just, it just shifts things a little bit, but you still have it. Humanity, it just, it just shifts things a little bit, but it you still have it. We all have the whole chart. If that helps anybody, we all have the whole. Brian's chart is complete. He's got all the centers. He uses them differently than marty, whose chart is fully defined. Yeah, so we all have the chart.
Speaker 3:Um, the little tiny one that's right close to that diamond shape is the heart and it's colored red on the my body graph, like a little heart would be. And the heart is the center of willpower. It's also called the ego center or the will center, but it's the center of drive, desire, commitment. So it's a very yeah, it's a very driven center. Only 30% of the population have it defined, so most people don't. It's the center of value as well, so that's a big one that can be conditioned because it's our sense of self-worth and so it's a really tricky. I've often done courses on that in itself. Just the heart center because of self-worth issues that we have, you know, comparison and competition for the sake of competition and where we don't need to have that. We are enough because we are enough, and that's what the heart center message is.
Speaker 3:The big one in the center, near the bottom, the red one, is a major center. It's the sacral and it's red on the my Body Graph chart and if it's defined, it means you're a generator or a manifesting generator. That is the generator center and the sacral is all about life force, energy. It's also about sexuality, that center, but if it's defined, then you're automatically one of the generators generator or manifesting generator. There's two triangle shapes on either side of the sacral. One of them is the emotional solar plexus. So if you're looking at your chart, the one on the right hand side is the emotional solar plexus, which is all about emotions and that's what makes us human and it's interesting.
Speaker 3:That's a very important center for relationships and in houses. Who's got the emotions in the family and who's absorbing the emotions in the family. So that's an important one. On the other side, the brown triangle is the spleen and that's this. It's an awareness center about survival and instinct. It's your health and wellness. And the thing I love about that center too is that it's all about the five senses and the sixth sense. That's where intuition lives. So it's very intuitive. And then the bottom one, the very bottom, is the root. The root center is a bit of an adrenaline center. It's where you're, it's a pressure center and it's sometimes where stress can live or how we handle stress can sometimes be based on what we have going on in that center.
Speaker 1:I love that overview. That was even a good little overview for us, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it helped for us because we have our charts in front of us so we can see what's going on.
Speaker 1:So do that if you're listening, for sure. So let's just jump into the five actual types, because I think that's the thing is when people start to know what human design which I do think it's becoming a bit more common- A lot of times I can say to people you know what's your human design, and they're like I'm a mani-gen or I'm a generator. They know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've been hearing about it too in some pretty surprising circles of people. I'm like, oh wow, these people are talking about this thing. It's funny.
Speaker 3:I always think you know the old pickup line hey, what's your sign? Yeah, Now it is.
Speaker 1:Hey, what's your human design? Yeah, so true, which tells you a whole lot more about a person than their sign does.
Speaker 3:I love it. So should we start with manifestors? Yeah, so there are five different energy types and the energy types. Everything is determined by those centers that we just talked about, depending which ones are lit up, whether it's the sacral or some of the motors or the throat, which ones are lit up, whether it's the sacral or some of the motors or the throat, and we're not going to go into all of the reasons why, but those centers are what determine your energy type. So the five types are the manifester generator. Manifesting generator, which is more, it's mostly generator but it's got a little bit of manifesting tendencies the projectors and the reflectors. So those are the five, and manifestor is about I'll give you the percentages too. About 8% of the population are manifestors, so it's a fairly rare one. Manifestors are. They have big, bold energy and they are the just do it people. So I mentioned before about children. If kids are manifestors, they're the ones that are kind of hard to parent, because they don't need parents.
Speaker 1:Manifestors don't I remember you saying that Like whenever I see a manifestor, I'm like oh, you're the one that can parent yourself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they just like to do their own thing. They're very independent, have their own ideas. They're the one energy type that we don't have a strategy to wait. So every energy type has a strategy that helps it move through the world. The energy type is like your aura, your energetic aura, and the strategy is how you move through life with the least resistance and the most alignment.
Speaker 3:So for manifestors, their strategy is to inform. They don't really have to wait for much, I guess, except an idea or an urge to do something. But their strategy is to inform and the reason for that is because they're just go-getters and they're just going to do things and they don't want to ask permission. They just want to do it by informing the people around them. Hey, I'm going to do this. It takes away some of the resistance, People get out of their way so they can just go do their thing.
Speaker 3:And again, it's not asking for permission, which is hard when you're parenting a manifestor child. But if you can teach the manifestor child to inform you, or especially with small children, it's a little bit of asking for permission. But it's also just sort of telling you mom, I'm going to go play at Susan's house instead of them just going, Cause the manifestor child will just do that. They decide they're going to go play with their friend Susan and they're gone down the street, three houses down, Cause that's where they know Susan lives and the parent is freaking out. So if they, if parents, can kind of get them to inform, then at least the parent knows and they can say oh, I'll walk you down there, or we can't go right now, but let's do it right after lunch. Anytime a parent can say yes to a manifestor. That's just like music to their ears, because a manifestor loves freedom. It's like get out of my way. I want to do what I want to do.
Speaker 1:I feel like our son is more manifestor than generator. He hates no, yeah, okay. So it's something that you've even taught me to say, like don't say no, say yes, you can do that, but first let's do this. So you've taught me how to like phrase it differently, so that he is hearing the yes, but maybe not right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, exactly, cause the more you can say yes, the more they'll be on board with even listening to you. So if you say yes, we're going to do that as soon as we get dressed. Yeah, yes, we're going to, yeah, lead with a yes, yeah, exactly. But even for grownups, like manifestors have big, bold energy. When they walk into a room, their aura can be a little bit repelling, which sounds bad, and it's not a bad thing, but it's a little bit like people sense their powerful energy and just sort of step aside like whoa, because manifestors are leaders and they will. Yeah, they take their ideas and they just they have lots of impact and power.
Speaker 3:The problem is a lot of adult manifestors are no longer living as manifestors. They've lost their boldness. They've forgotten it because as children it was stifled. It was. You know they're like a wild horse as a child, but it's been and I don't mean this against parents, because you know parenting is hard man, but it's been beat. You know they've been broken. They're a wild horse that's been tamed and taught to sit in a desk and do it this way and listen to others and always ask permission, and you know all those things. It's.
Speaker 3:It's very interesting, and I'm not saying that we just let manifestor children run the world. But if you know they're a manifestor, there are things you can do to help give them freedom, help give them choices, help them continue to be that bold personality that you want later on in life. Because it's funny as children we push down the manifestors, we try to tame them and train them, but as adults we praise them. If you could see somebody in their bold power taking action in the world. We want everybody to be manifestors, even when they're not. We all think we should be manifestors even when we're not. Like I'm not designed to be a manifestor. I'm a generator and I do things differently. But we have so many people trying to push to be manifestors as adults but in children we just don't like that behavior. It's interesting.
Speaker 1:That is very interesting. I think this is going to be so fascinating for people listening, knowing if, like you know, they're the manifesto, for example. Right, because, two things that just make us laugh. Our mutual friend Lindley she is a manifesto and she's definitely the get it done person. She's a leader.
Speaker 3:But I would make like I would get so annoyed with her when we would do events because all of a sudden I turn over around and like she's gone, like where did she go?
Speaker 1:she's ninja dust out of the house all the time, like so yeah, yeah, exactly. But now I understand her, like it doesn't annoy me, like it did because I get it. Or when I would sit there and say you need to smile, like I think people think that you're grumpy or you're not nice, and I would have to like smile and she's, and now I it, like that's just who she is, and even my sister-in-law she's a manifester and so it's just so funny how I have all these manifestors close to me. But I can. When you understand it, it helps you to understand them and hopefully for them to understand themselves, most importantly, exactly.
Speaker 3:And that's where I find you know, when I do readings for couples, or if I do it for parents with their children, the family situation it's now they understand and you can find ways then to accommodate, to relate, to get along better energetically. It's funny and I often attach animals and you've heard this before but to the different energy types and the manifestor would really be like a lone wolf and a wolf has. There's a leader of the pack pack and the lone wolf. That is the leader of the pack, cause they have ideas and they, you know the pack will follow them. But sometimes the lone wolf will just peace out and go off and sit on the top of the mountain and howl at the moon. You know, like he just gone, doesn't need the well, he needs the pack, but he doesn't really, he doesn't rely on them. They should just follow him. That's, it's the lone wolf idea and I have this written in my notes and maybe then we'll have to kind of move on to the next thing, or we could be.
Speaker 3:There's so many things but in bold I put down for in my programs I teach you are not here to please other people manifestors, for sure, For sure. You are not here to care what other people think, for sure You're not here to seek others' opinions or their approval and you're not here to ask permission, Like that's big, bold, big bold energy. You know, and it applies to all of us a little bit. None of us should really care what others think, but manifestors, that's totally their thing, Love it.
Speaker 2:Step into your power.
Speaker 3:Exactly, yeah, because the rest of us are waiting for that. That's inspiring to us. So if we lose our manifestors and they, you know, they just don't want to be too bold because as a kid they were told you know, you're a little bit too much. Um, we've lost those role models that we could just rise up and follow. The one thing I don't want to forget to say too, with each energy type is they have a a little barometer or a signal of when they're in a good frequency and when they're a little bit low on the frequency.
Speaker 3:So, for manifestors, their good side is peace. When they're feeling at peace, they know that they're doing what they want to do when they want to do it and they're not being interrupted and all that stuff. Very peaceful Things are well. On the other end, it's anger. So manifestors who are not being allowed to do their things will be angry, and we call it manifestor rage sometimes. So if you have a kid who throws temper tantrums, like it is, that's the manifestor. Somebody's getting in their way, stopping them from doing what they want, taking away their freedom, saying no, no, no, no. They've heard it one too many times and they're just going to throw a fit. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's so helpful to know, yeah.
Speaker 3:And for parents, I mean, if your child has that, find ways that they can release the anger because it may come up from something that happened at school. But you know, get them a little punching bag, let them punch some pillows, let them go outside in the backyard and scream a nursery rhyme at the top of their lungs. You know, whatever it is, but get the anger out. And for adults, I think they have rage rooms. Now you can rent a rage room if you're a manifester and you're having some issues.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, if you haven't done this for your whole family yet, you should probably go do that yeah.
Speaker 1:It's the starting point for sure. Like know yourself, know your partner, know your kids for sure who's living in the same house? Yeah, okay, so that's 8% of the population. 8%, yeah. Are you ready to go to generator?
Speaker 3:Sure, so let's talk just first of all about gens, and we'll say gens and manny gens, it's shorter and easier to say. So generators are 37% of the population and manny gens are about 33% and both of them combined, 70% of the population have the generator, life force, energy. Their sacral is lit. So that's 70% of the population that we're the builders, we've got the energy. We're the doers, we do things, we're full of energy, especially for the things that light us up. So we're going to talk about that a little bit. But generators should be doing things that they want to do. But so many of those 70% people are doing things that they don't really want to do for various reasons, because they felt they should or they had to or whatever. But just think about the energy of the world shrinking when 70% of the people are not following their passions and doing what they love. So I always like to share that message because it's important that we trust our sacral. And the sacral, as we'll get into, is the. It's the indicator of what you, what's a yes and what's a no, and you know people may have heard this If it's not a hell yes, it's a no, and that is a generator slogan. What we do in our lives needs to be a hell yes. It needs to turn us on and light up our sacral with a hell yes. So we'll separate the two a little bit because they are different. So pure generator we'll talk about first. That's what I am, so I don't have any of the manifesting in me, but generators. Our strategy is to respond. So, like I said with the manifestors, their strategy is just to inform people and go forward with their ideas. Generators we respond to the things around us. So there's something in your environment that will. It's almost like it activates your sacral for a yes or a no. Do I want to follow this, do I not? And maybe the best way I can describe this is by giving the animal first.
Speaker 3:So for gens and mani-gens, I would say it's a dog, an energetic dog. Dogs have lots of energy. You take them to the park, they got lots of energy. They want to burn off all that energy, and that's important for people too. We need to burn off our sacral energy through the day so we sleep well. At night, we need to be and not just physically active, but mentally, spiritually, whatever it is, whatever's lighting us up. We're doing it through the day so that at nighttime we're like a dog, we're tired, we want to rest.
Speaker 3:But if you think of a dog at the park and this idea of the strategy being to respond, a dog will see a ball and if it's the ball he wants, like it's his red ball, he'll chase it. If it's a yellow ball, maybe it's a no, or it's too big, maybe it's a no. So that's his, like sacral, saying yes or no. He responds by following the red ball, chasing it down. He's got it. He gets the red ball and then, oh, he smells something over. This way, it's a rabbit, he smells. He's responding yes, I want to chase that rabbit. He goes that way.
Speaker 3:So it's responding to things outside of himself. That's what generators and manifesting generators do. Something outside of us will spark us in a way that makes our sacral go. Oh, you know, maybe it's a smell of a food. Oh, I'm hungry now. That's what sparks it. Or, you know, you've been thinking about doing a retreat and suddenly you see a billboard of a palm tree on a beach in the Bahamas. You think I want to do that retreat and I'm going to set it up in the Bahamas. Do you know what I mean? Like it's something that sparks it. It's not just your idea that you initiate, because that's what manifestors do. They just initiate. Generators respond to things around us, in our environment.
Speaker 1:Okay, interesting, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes total sense.
Speaker 3:Because sometimes the strategies are interesting. But I think if you the way I think about it is yeah, things come to me, I don't have to chase things down. They'll come into my life and I'll respond yes or no, and then, I just make my choices.
Speaker 3:So the thing with the yes, no sacral is it's great because it's really good guidance in our lives to follow the right path. The problem with we don't listen to it. I guess that's the problem. So your sacral is gut and if anybody who's a gen or a mani gen in your gut can you feel when you like something or when you don't like it. And sometimes it's good to practice with food.
Speaker 3:You know, if someone, if I offered you some sardines, what did you feel in your stomach right away when I said, do you want a can of sardines? If it kind of went and shrunk down, it's kind of a no, it's icky, it's uh-uh, uh-uh, guttural sound, uh-uh. And if I said do you want to go for a walk outside? It's a sunny day, and you suddenly lit up in your stomach, said yes, like it felt like an expansive uh-huh, uh-huh. Even my eyebrows go up when I say uh-huh. Those are the guttural feelings that you get when you start to trust your sacral and it's truly just like an on-off switch, your sacral, and it's truly just like an on-off switch. So it's good for gens and mani-gens to practice using that as much as you can, feeling your gut. Learning to trust your gut, because so often we don't trust ourselves and our bodies.
Speaker 3:I mentioned earlier that that's how we make decisions is within our bodies, not up here between our ears, where there's lots of limiting beliefs and stories. So getting in touch with your gut is so important for sacrals.
Speaker 1:When I look back and think of like different decisions, like houses we've gotten, or even the move out here, like I've always been, when I look back, I have had that quality where I'm like.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 1:And when we get to Brian, you'll understand why he takes off in it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're very good at knowing what you want and following through with it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's good and trusting it, because it we just don't trust it so often. So, and that's the thing is, if we, if we don't say yes to the things that are a hell yes, then our sacral energy kind of dims a little bit. The more we say yes to the things that really light us up, or the foods we want to eat, or the places we want to go or move, or jobs you want to take, or people you want to have a relationship with or go for coffee with, the more we say yes to the right things, the more your sacral it almost like it just refuels its energy. And the more we're saying yes to things that we don't really want to do, the more it shrivels down and diminishes.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like a muscle It'll atrophy or it'll get stronger.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, and because most well sorry, most many people don't listen to their sacral and I often like to point out the word should it's a swear word for gens and mani-gens Because how many times have you well, because we have so much energy, you think, well, I've got the energy. I should say, yes, I could do that, so I should. We take on all this work, this extra work? People ask us to do things because they feel your energy. Our energy is open and enveloping. We draw things to us and that's fine to draw things to us, but we can always say no when it's not aligned with our sacral. But so often we want to please other people. We know we get praised every time we agree to do something. We've learned it through our whole childhood. When you say yes, you're a good girl, you're a good person, you're helping other people and that's. It's nice to help other people, but not if it shrinks you and your light.
Speaker 1:I have like I'm not going to get into it, but like I feel like there's examples, as a recent for me, where it's like, oh, I should do this, that feeling, and then I do it, and as I'm doing it, I'm just cursing it because it's like I know that I shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Why did I say yes to this?
Speaker 3:Yes and I. It's funny, but I've sometimes said I, because I'm a generator and now that I know this about myself and I'm a huge was a huge people pleaser, I'm getting better. Yeah, but I've learned to almost. I use my human design as a like a scapegoat. Yeah, even if it's, even if it's just in my own mind. It doesn't have to, but I could tell other people I'm a generator and I really feel like in my gut, this is a no for me right now. I just don't feel that it's a good choice to say yes to this opportunity or whatever it is. Or I can just in my own head, when I say no, it's like it's okay to say no, peg, because your gut said no, it's okay.
Speaker 3:The other thing that helps me sometimes is if you think of, let's say, somebody offered me a speaking engagement at a conference, like that's a wonderful opportunity. But what if, for me, at that moment in time or maybe it was the topic or the whatever my gut was telling me no, I really don't want to do that, I really don't, but I should. And I caught myself saying should and I thought, nope, I'm going to say no For me. Also, I think, if I say no, because the energy I bring to that conference would be okay, but maybe not my best. I'd have to push hard to make it my best energy. If I say no, though, I'm leaving space for that other person that's on their list who is dying to say yes, that job was meant for somebody else, and if I say yes, I'm taking it away from them. So I sometimes think about it as a universal it's universal goodness.
Speaker 3:Every yes that I feel yes for is doing good for everybody. Every yes. If I say yes to something, that's truly a no for me. I'm not helping any of us. It's bad energy. I'm not giving you my best. Other people are missing out on something. So, yeah, it's interesting. Another example could be you're asked to be the room mom at school, be the room mother and organize the something or other, and you don't want to do it. You say, okay, sure, I'll do it. What if there was a new mom who just would love to do that because that's her thing, and you said, yes, you took it away from her. She could have been way better than you at it, but you said yes. And if we can get those thoughts into our head that it's not, it's not just that we're saying no and disappointing somebody we might actually be making it better for somebody else.
Speaker 1:Totally.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's just all kind of mindset stuff, I guess how we look at it.
Speaker 1:That makes so much sense. So 37% are generators. Yeah 8% are manifestors, yep. And then you said the mani-gen is 33%.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so mani-gens are like, mostly generator because they've got that energy, but they do have in their chart and we won't go deep but one of their centers is like they've got some motor centers. A motor to the throat is what makes them a generator, but manifesting generator Okay. So it just means they move a little bit faster. Does it mean we talk too much? Some of the differences between a gen and a mani gen are that mani gens move faster. Does it mean we talk too much?
Speaker 3:Some of the differences between a gen and a mani-gen are that mani-gens move faster. So I often compare us a little bit like the tortoise and the hare, and the generator is the tortoise has the energy, just keeps moving forward, moving forward steadily, moving forward to master whatever it is that's lighting them up. The mani-gen is like the hare runs ahead, skips some steps, jumps right into it and then, oops, they missed a step. They got to go back a few steps because they need to catch up, but anyway, they just move fast and then they sometimes have to retrace their steps. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:That's accurate Even at the beginning of this podcast. Hey, peg.
Speaker 3:It's like I'm just going to jump in, I'm just going to do it. And the other thing is and oftentimes I think mani gens can be called flaky, or other people make them feel flaky because they do move quickly and they change their mind. Sometimes they like to do multiple things, so they've got their foot in a lot of different or what is it your hand? In a lot of different pots, a lot of different doors, whatever it is. But they've got a hobby and then they've got this job and then they signed up for that and they're going to do this over here and that they can handle it. They're they're master multitaskers, whereas I think generators are a little bit more focused.
Speaker 3:Many gens can kind of juggle a lot of things and they also might drop something. If it doesn't interest them anymore, they will drop it Right, whereas generators are a little bit more like if they said yes, I'm sticking to this. Because I said yes, I'm going to follow it through right to the finish, right, so yeah, Did we say oh yeah, you said it's an energetic dog, was both generator and mani-gen.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, yeah. Anything else about mani-gen, both generator and manager. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Anything else about manager?
Speaker 3:Multipassionate, I think, is a big one Again. Oh, sorry I didn't cover the two barometer ends. Oh, yes, and this goes for both of them. But for generators it's satisfaction is when I'm because I'm a generator, if I'm in good alignment, any generators feeling good about things are going to feel satisfied. They're doing things that light them up. You know, everything's good. Frustration is the other end. That's our red flag. So if I'm feeling frustrated, you kind of check in on yourself and is it something? Did you say yes to something you should have said no to peg? Hmm, I wonder. So it's those kinds of things. When we're feeling frustrated there's something kind of off in our energetic alignment.
Speaker 1:That is the most accurate thing for me oh, you can't get the printer to work, brittany, nothing sets me off so immediately as technology issues. It's like the most annoying thing. I was like yelling and snapping at him. He's like calm down. Okay fast, dog, just slow down here, let me pet you a little bit. Annoying thing. I was like yelling and snapping at him.
Speaker 2:He's like calm down, hey fast, dog, just slow down here, let me pet you a little bit, we'll get you back, oh that's funny, funny, but so true.
Speaker 1:And even like, just because I'm picking on lindley or her being a manifester and her being, you know, goes to anger. It's when we learned that from you, it was like it's so true.
Speaker 3:She immediately goes mad and I immediately go frustrated, like it's yeah, yeah, I hope, if you're listening, you're just getting epiphany after epiphany because it's so true yeah, the other thing about manifesting generators I was going to say because they have that manifester kind of I can do it, do energy, do do. Yeah, they have a. They have some difficulty with delegation and feeling like they see things that need to get done, they do it because they've got the energy to do it. So they're doing all the things, whereas you know, especially if you're doing the things that maybe you don't necessarily love to do, delegate those to somebody who would love it. Like whether it's technology, like you hire a virtual assistant if that's in somebody's business who they hate, all that technical stuff you can delegate. But manifesting generators struggle a little bit with that because they feel like, well, I've got the energy, I can do it. It'll take more time to explain to somebody else what to do than if I just do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is bang on also, yeah, okay, this is an interesting one. I love learning about projectors. Tell us about projectors.
Speaker 3:Okay, hey, this is an interesting one. I love learning about projectors. Tell us about projectors. Okay, and both my kids are projectors, which was interesting.
Speaker 3:I thought and maybe this was a first realization that I had that because projectors are what we call non-energy beings, because they don't have their sacral, which is that you know life force, energy, and they're not like a manifestor. Manifestors don't have a sacral, but they have surges of energy, so they are more driven because of their motor center to the throat. But projectors oftentimes think that they're lazy. When they hear about themselves, they're like oh, sounds like I don't have any energy. I'm not an energy being, it's just that you use it differently. One of the things about projectors is they're far more efficient. They get twice as much done in half the time so they can rest, because they're designed to need some rest. So projectors are 21% of the population and maybe I'll get to their strategy in just a minute. I'll keep talking about their energy because I think I mean our life is set up not really for projectors, because school is set up, you know, nine to three, four o'clock, whatever and because they're not an energy being, they don't have as much energy as sacrals, but because their center is open. Remember I said how the open centers are where you absorb. So you can be absorbing energy from sacral beings around you and that's good. You can borrow some energy and get through the school day maybe, but it's not your energy to hold as a projector, because it doesn't really belong in your sacral, and so they can get really burnt out. So a full day of school or a nine to five job is a lot for a projector to sit through. They just don't have it. So they need, you know, a half day of work would be great I think 2020 and whether or not we can say the word of what happened there but it put people on a pause and for a lot of projectors might've saved their life. They suddenly got to go home from work and be at home for a while and just get some rest and then maybe decide that they could work two days from home when life was back at normal. Or maybe they decided they didn't, could never handle that job again and they quit. Or you know, they worked half days at work because they realized they got so much more done when they were rested. So projectors need some rest.
Speaker 3:The one thing that I want to say about projectors? I'll give you their animal. They're like a cat, and cats are very observant and kind of just. They have this aura of just being around you. They're not always doing, they're not excited, they're not jumping on your leg, they're not scratching at the door to get out for their walk like dogs. Cats are just a little bit more chill, and that's what projectors are. Projectors their aura is very focused and penetrating. They can see into other people. They really make wonderful coaches and guides, healers, energy work because they see into other people. They know others and they know other people a lot better than themselves. They're can't really, they're not as self-aware of who they are, but they very much can see into other people. So their strategy is to wait for the invitation, which is also something challenging to get your head around. That has helped me a lot in business.
Speaker 1:I will say just you saying that, because I have a lot of projectors on my team and it's like, okay, well, someone said this to you. Well then, just say that to them, but they wouldn't if they weren't invited. It's like I have to understand if they're a projector, they're waiting for the invitation.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Whereas I'm just in there like a dirty shirt saying whatever I got to say.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, so it's. And the interesting thing about that, waiting for the invitation. I'll give an example of the cat again. But it doesn't mean that you're not seen. So, like in a business situation, because sometimes projectors will think, oh, I have to wait to be invited to a business meeting, to a call to be, I can't apply for a job because I need to wait for them to invite me, but nobody's going to invite you if they can't see you.
Speaker 3:So projectors do need to be seen. So showing what they love, what they're good at, what their wisdom. Like they can be seen, they can be heard. Like a projector could have a podcast, it's fine, nobody has to invite them to have the podcast. But they can share their gift of speaking and their wisdom and whatever. And somebody else might invite them then to speak at a conference, invite them to be a one-on-one coach, invite them to share more. But you need to be seen still. So it doesn't. If you're a projector listening to this, don't hide yourself away and wait for the phone to ring with people inviting you to stuff. You have to be seen. So on social media, be seen, post things, do stuff. You don't have to wait to be invited to show who you are Right. That makes sense, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3:The example of a cat. I think a cat out of alignment projector cat out of alignment kind of comes into the room and jumps right into your lap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not typical.
Speaker 3:You're like I didn't invite you into my lap, Get off. And you'd kind of just push them off Like that's annoying. That's a projector cat out of alignment. A projector cat who is in alignment would just walk into the room quietly, observe the situation, hop up on the couch sort of beside you, sit down until you notice them hurrying beside you and then you'd probably start to pet them and then you'd invite them onto your lap. It's like you see them, you respect their gift of softness or whatever. It is like you want to pet them. They're just so calm and then they come onto your lap because you invited them. So, projectors, show what you're good at be seen and people will invite you.
Speaker 3:A really good quote for projectors is I don't chase, I attract. What's meant for me will come to me. I mean, it's a quote that we all use sometimes, but it's definitely for projectors. You don't need to chase or force or look needy. One of the problems that sometimes projectors can get themselves into is unsolicited advice, because they're very good at seeing into others. They know what needs to be said, they know how to help their friend with this relationship issue. But if the friend didn't ask them, they shouldn't just give their advice unsolicited, Right? So instead they could say hey, you know, I see you're struggling, I hope you get through this. Okay, If you ever need me, I'm here. And then they wait If the friend doesn't call them and say I'm glad you're here because I could use your advice. But if the friend just said thanks, that's, that's no invitation, so you don't give your advice until you're asked. So what?
Speaker 1:about? What does that mean for, say, the mani-gens like myself, because I feel like I'm over here giving advice all the time when it's probably not offered or asked for.
Speaker 3:Well, it's not really out of your nature. It would be. It's not as much a problem for a mani-gen, it just doesn't come off as wrong. Okay, it's kind of like your energetic nature. People would be like, oh cool, like yeah, because your aura as a gen mani-gen is open and enveloping. You're kind of like a warm hug. So you almost invite people to come and they wouldn't be offended if you gave them advice. It's all that how the energy works. But as a projector, the energy you have is that you're sort of probing.
Speaker 1:Is that part of why? And I don't know if this is a manifest or like a mani-gen thing, but I mean, brian we were just talking about this the other day how I feel like I can meet somebody and like within five minutes they tell me everything, like I feel like probably, why does? Everybody tell me everything so quickly.
Speaker 3:Yep, like a warm hug, I'm like a warm you are, it could be deeper layers too, like you might have certain gates or channels, that um, that have the, the um energy of a listener. Okay, because sometimes that's when we have the gate of the listener in our charts. So it could be other things as well. But certainly you know you are like a warm hug. People will be drawn to just share their life with you. Okay, like you, it's just interesting when you know that it's kind other things as well. But certainly you know you are like a warm hug. People will be drawn to just share their life with you.
Speaker 1:It's just interesting when you know that it's kind of like oh well, that makes maybe more sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, aren't you lucky. So projectors make really good human resources, people or you know, because they can guide people into the right positions. They can see what needs to happen in a company, whereas they don't necessarily shine as the worker bees. That's the gens, the mani gens. We're good at getting more the energetic stuff done. The projectors are really good at just seeing who needs to work where and who would be a good position for this. Who we should ask to do that? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:I love it. Now we're on to the unicorn, aka the reflector. All right, of it. Now we're on to the unicorn, aka the reflector, if you are listening to this and your chart says you're a reflector. You should reach out to us and let us know. I feel like I'm on the hunt all the time for reflectors Doing your work. How often do you find them?
Speaker 3:Not very often, but it was funny and I think you were in that course. I did a course not that long ago and Brian was in there. Then, um, a friend from Saskatoon, connie, who you'd know as well, was in there, reflector, and then one other person joined him was reflector. It was like a group of I don't know 20, maybe 30, women and or people, and three of them were reflectors. That's just like whoa, because reflectors are one percent of the population, so it's very rare to have reflectors in a, in a group, um. So it's funny that when I first started doing human design, I was so happy to find out Brian was a reflector, because I could always use him as an example and you knew him, so things like you could connect the dots Totally, and I could.
Speaker 3:I could feel like reflector was so valid, because everything I found out about reflectors was so Brian, yeah, like it just really applied. So yeah, so, 1% of the population, like it just really applied. So yeah, so 1% of the population, the animal, which I think kind of helps us think about them. Sometimes people say they're like a unicorn, because unicorns are rare, but they're also like woo-woo, make-believe. A true animal is a chameleon, because a chameleon you put it in one environment and it's a certain color. You put it on something else, it changes color. It changes depending on its environment and that's truly what reflectors do, which is why environment is so important for reflectors. If they are in a bad work environment or a bad home environment, or, as a child, if it's a classroom environment, or maybe it's even their bedroom, if they don't like their bedroom.
Speaker 3:If it's not, it's so important for reflectors to be in the right environment, around the right people, because that affects them, because they have all open centers. They're constantly, you know, feeling things, sampling their. Their energy is they sample things and they know immediately what feels good and what doesn't. So reflector kids don't always have the choice. I mean, if you have a reflector child, listen to their cries for change. Like mom, I don't like my classroom. It just doesn't feel good. Or you know just whatever it is when they go to a certain person's house, I don't like going there, it doesn't feel good. Listen to that, because they're just pulling in energy from around them and they're very sensitive. I mean, brian would know he's sampling all kinds of things and you, you know what you like to taste and what you'd like to get rid of, kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Does that relate to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, very much so.
Speaker 1:Anything you want to share.
Speaker 2:Well, just I've had to learn to protect my energy a lot. So when I go in to someplace, it's yeah, like you said, I'm not getting bombarded from every angle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's. I mean the idea of sampling, and that goes for anybody. When you have open centers, you are sampling other people's energy in those centers because you don't emit it. You're not broadcasting energy from a certain center, so you're taking it in from others, but with all of them open you know that's a lot of sampling. So the other thing you can think about with reflectors is if you put reflector beams, like if all of Brian's centers were now mirrors just reflecting back to people. That's a unique thing to to know about reflectors as well is that you know that saying I'm not crying, you're crying. Well, brian could say that to everybody. He could just stand there and you know, if you stood right in front of him and he, he was crying and you said, brian, you're crying, and he could say, no, I'm not crying, you're crying because he's reading it from you.
Speaker 3:If you're angry. He could say he's not really angry, brittany, you're angry. The anger is coming out of you somehow. You might be trying to deny it, but he can feel it and he's just reflecting it back to you. This is what I'm.
Speaker 2:I feel that, like in everyday life, just walking around when I like run into someone, I feel like I can, I can actually feel their energy. And until I knew what this reflector thing was through human design, I was like, oh, oh, okay, this this makes more sense, I'm not just like a weirdo.
Speaker 1:Well, even like when I remember Peg, when Marty was born and you saw all of our charts and you were like, oh, ryan's going to need breaks from you too, because Marty's all defined, his centers are just blasting at you 24, seven, and yours are just wide open to take it. And I'm pretty defined too. And so I had this quote, thing, that or this thing on the wall, a quote that I gave you, and it said what, how does it?
Speaker 2:go into the forest, I go to lose my mind and find my soul yeah, but I have found a better saying yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah to vancouver island.
Speaker 3:And like he needs to be in nature, he needs to be biking, he needs yeah, and that's that's one of the things about reflectors, too is they have a real relationship with nature that most of us could never really understand. That's where they don't have to absorb human energy. It's like absorbing energy of nature, but it's much cleaner kind of energy and it's not conflicting with anything within brian, and it's also a great place to for them to cleanse out their energy. And again, for anybody with open centers um, like, if you have an open crown or ashton up top, you're taking in other people's ideas all day long at work. You need to flush those out too. So I often tell people journaling is a good way to get ideas out of your head. Close the book book, put it away, like, just get rid of it before bedtime, especially if you have trouble sleeping. But for Brian getting out in nature to clean all his centers, it's just like it flushes. Anytime you do an exercise program, you're sweating. That's getting energy out Meditation, breath, work.
Speaker 1:He does all of these things, Peg. He meditates every day. He does breath work. He needs to be in nature like this.
Speaker 3:It's so funny to me, yeah, and the interesting thing too, and I think it's you know, as an adult too, brian probably knew this a little bit and human design has probably just solidified it. But his centers are like sponges. If it's good, if he wants to sponge in that energy, because he's at a party and the energy's up and he's feeling the joy and he's taking it all in, great, he can take it in. But his centers can also be reflectors pushing it back to you. That's not my energy. What I'm sensing is anger, but it's yours, it's not on me. I'm letting it go, sort of like, almost like a sieve too. It could come in and go out. I don't want to hold that.
Speaker 3:And I think, for some people too who are listening the word empath we often think of somebody who's empathic. You can really sense somebody's emotions or what they're going through. Well, it's kind of like Brian has everything's empathic, his whole, everything, all his centers. He can feel people's stress from their root center. He can feel their emotions from their emotional center. He can feel their life force. You know, go, go, go energy from sacral, like he can feel it all and so just taking it, sampling it, that's wonderful.
Speaker 2:I was kind of practicing this yesterday at Costco. Yeah, brittany took. Marty to the bathroom and I was standing there with the cart and I was just people watching and I was just like, as every person was kind of going by, I would just like look at someone and just kind of, yeah, it's literally that sampling them well, I always joke that he's judging like I feel like he judges everybody.
Speaker 2:I mean, I used to be very judgy. I'm not even close to what I used to be, but now I feel like I'm I'm a little more understanding, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, and it I mean yeah. There's so much more going on with people nowadays that yeah.
Speaker 1:It's hard to not judge.
Speaker 3:Energy can be.
Speaker 2:There can be a lot of negative energy around us from different things, but yeah, so instead of judging, I'm just more like oh.
Speaker 3:I'm just more like, oh, that's interesting. Yeah, one of the things I was going to say about Brian's barometer thing. So for him, good alignment, good frequency, when things are great it's surprise and delight. He can be delighted around energy that's really good, and he can be delighted in his time in nature too. But he can be surprised by somebody's good energy and that's attractive and it keeps him high vibe. But his other end is disappointment, and oftentimes reflectors can feel disappointment because they can see potential in other people.
Speaker 1:That's totally you.
Speaker 3:And it's disappointing to see that person not living into, you know, positive energy or lifestyle or whatever it is that they can see. So it's kind of disappointing. It can be disappointing and I know for brian to big relationship with nature and the earth. It's very disappointing to see people not living up to our potential when it comes to protecting our earth. Um, so it's just massive the global concept is is disappointing as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, I feel like you're gonna say something uh, no, this is, this is all just so spot on. And looking back through my life since I was a kid, it was like I remember being like seven years old, worrying about the earth in like around, I don't know, 1990, 89, somewhere in there, and I was like weird and it's like little things right, things right.
Speaker 1:Like we don't kill spiders, we capture them, take them out. What are we dealing with right now, brian?
Speaker 2:I caught nine mice in my garage this week.
Speaker 1:Did he kill them?
Speaker 2:No, they're just little tiny creatures that are in the wrong place.
Speaker 1:He hikes them all up to the forest and lets them go. Did he sit them up in front of him and talk to them.
Speaker 2:Now, probably no, literally, I'll post a video. The last one. Oh yeah, we'll post a video, but yeah, it sat there and I chatted with it.
Speaker 1:Who knew there was ethical mousetraps and we're we're capturing them with old Halloween candy. Oh, they keep coming back for it, but it's like little things like that, right? Or picking things up when you're outside, and I think the biggest um kind of joke that since we learned this, about him specifically.
Speaker 3:Is that his? Is it?
Speaker 1:called strategy, or yes? Yeah, don't talk about that quickly, because this this makes them pretty unique.
Speaker 3:I would say yes, so strategy for reflectors is also similar to how they make decisions, but it's to wait a lunar cycle so, which is a long time, to think about making decisions and that sort of thing. And I mean I know reflectors who say that the more in touch you get with your design, the faster you can start to feel into your decisions about certain things, and you don't need to wait 28 days to decide if you're having pizza for lunch. Do you know what I mean? It's not those kinds of things.
Speaker 3:But an analogy I love is to think about the moon, because waiting a lunar cycle, I often say to parents, is get your child reflect your child, build a relationship with the moon and even as an adult, build a relationship with the moon. Because if you think about the moon going around the earth in 28 days, the moon has a perspective all the way around, looking at the earth from different perspectives, and that's kind of what you're doing for 28 days. If you need that long to make a decision or you know, whatever it might be, is taking those different perspectives, seeing it from different angles, different environments on a different days, and then that's how you can kind of move through life with decisions and things.
Speaker 1:So it doesn't all happen. I just remember when, I think because I knew this when we came out to Vancouver Island a couple summers ago yeah, and I said like do you think we should do this? Like pull the trigger and just move out here and normally that's my wheelhouse to make that decision, because I'm the quick decision maker with that gut feeling, and I think, because your reaction was so instant and I was so taken aback because that's not normally him and he just said like yeah, let's do it, like I've waited my. And I was like whoa okay, like we need business now, cause he doesn't decide this fast.
Speaker 2:I probably decided it hundreds of lunar cycles ago I was gonna say it's.
Speaker 3:Maybe his energy was born for a moment such as that. Do you know what I mean? Like that, you know what? That was the environment. That was the environment that just went oh okay, I've arrived. I finally arrived.
Speaker 1:We've landed I don't know if you know what I'm saying, but I just thought of when she said that it was such an like an epiphany second for me right there. Well, because I travel a lot and Brian's always home, like with Marty doing all the things. He's like the best dad, the best everything, but it's a lot of energy for you, like the toddler stage and the whininess like really gets to this guy.
Speaker 2:And it's way better when mom's gone.
Speaker 1:He is better when I'm gone.
Speaker 3:For sure, I think that's a mom thing gone for sure, I think that's a mom thing, that's a universal principle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had a double birthday party last weekend and a couple nights before I looked at him in bed and I just said do you want me to take him to the birthday parties? Like, I'll be home now and you can just have a day for yourself.
Speaker 1:He goes, oh you have no idea how bad I need that it was like this beast waiting to come out and I was like I feel so bad, like you need to ask me if you need a day, and that's the same thing. It was like, yeah, I get so shocked when he knows an answer so quickly, because normally I'm bugging him saying, brian, right, we don't have a lunar cycle to wait.
Speaker 2:Like, give me an answer yeah, well, the cool thing about when we moved here, though, is I found a friend. Yeah, how about this? Okay, this is, this is neat. So, um, a guy, um moved here from saskatoon about a year and a half before us, and our old neighbor in saskatoon was like hey, let's you know, talk to my buddy, matt. So I messaged matt and we we found out we're born on the exact same day, on the exact same year, and we're both reflectors that's crazy and like I don't like surface level conversations, oh, my god right
Speaker 3:yeah, so I like I looked at my notes I thought there's one thing I have to say because I think it applies to brian is that small talk he doesn't like.
Speaker 2:I'm not big into small talk like I'll. I'm not gonna, you know, make someone feel bad if they're doing small talk, but I just I like getting in, I like it. I prefer to get into deep conversations with people and with him it was just like instantly, before I even knew our birthday stuff, it was just like instantly, we're connecting, we're talking. I'm like this is, this is awesome.
Speaker 1:So yeah, cause when you asked me this year, who do you want to spend more time with this year? And then I asked you that question back Because to me I'm like I think of all of this pool, of all of these people I would love to spend time with in my life and you're just like Matt and who's basically you, but like people that you don't have to sit around and do small talk Because that literally does drive you mental.
Speaker 2:And he's going to be on the podcast as well here soon.
Speaker 1:Yes, you'll hear from another Reflector to reflector. But it's so funny because when I met his wife I was like, well, I feel like we must have a lot in common or be something similar, because we're married to these like unicorn men and they're pretty special, I would say so I love that. Wow, we could do a whole. I was like could we get into profile lines?
Speaker 3:We definitely don't have time for that. That might be like a part two podcast. That part I feel like is really fascinating too. Yeah, that one's kind of a bit more about personality and how you learn and engage with people, so it's kind of interesting for people usually.
Speaker 1:Especially when you look at it with your family, because, like, I'm a 2-4, brian's a 6-3, but then Marty's a 4-6. So we all have a little bit of each other. One of them is more conscious, one is more unconscious. So if you guys are listening to this and you're thinking this is cool, you want to know more, you're looking at your chart but you don't really know how to like read it. That's where I would encourage you guys to reach out to Peg.
Speaker 3:I think you got interested in more than one reading like let me know, because I can sometimes do a. You know, depending on how many people we want to do, do it as a, as a reduced rate for for that many people kind of thing. But yeah, it's interesting and sometimes I've done readings for someone who's a therapist and then now they want and I'm actually in the process of putting together, um, a self-directed course that people can purchase and just do it to learn more, all the layers, because she wants to use it in her coaching practice. She said it would save me a lot of time.
Speaker 3:if I could just find people's human design before I sit down for their first coaching session. Um, because, as you know too, like in business, when you know who, who you're working with, it helps you plan some strategies for that 100% how to approach them.
Speaker 1:yeah, and one more thing I have to ask. I feel like we should tell the people about your retreat, that you just decided to do and you're doing it.
Speaker 3:Yes, and I just decided to do it and I'm doing it. And it's funny because that's not my strength is not wanting to do the background part, like. My strength is not wanting to do the background part, like getting it organized and all that, but I really just got to the point where I could not wait any longer to just do something, live like this. So, yeah, I'm doing a retreat in Banff March 14th to 16th, and so there is a link in my bio about that as well. But if you have questions, please reach out because there are some options for staying at the lodge house where we're hosting the event and also staying on your own, because there's some price differences and we can work things out there. But yeah, it's going to be great because it's kind of combining all of my education things.
Speaker 3:I love to do A little bit of yoga, mindset, breath work, self-awareness and discovery. So it'll be a lot of, you know, personal growth, but with a huge chunk of it being about energetics and talking about human design and some of the stuff we've been talking about here today. But you know, in an in-person session, I just love the idea that we can bounce ideas back and forth. People can ask questions. We can talk about relationships and stuff.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I love it. I love that you're doing that. I wish it worked out better for me, because I'd love to come, so you'll have to do another one or come to the island and we'll do one here.
Speaker 3:Well, yes, well, you can help me plan one there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I just you guys, if you have a chance to be your own peg, you need to be. I feel like there's no one that meets peg. That is like I don't like her, like everybody loves peg. It's true.
Speaker 2:I'm not lying, she's a bubbly ball of positive energy, yeah, and just well.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I don't know. I'm just so grateful we finally got this done and it can be out there to help more people and hopefully to connect more people to human design, because I do think, like as cliche as it sounds, we can slowly change the world if we understand who our true, authentic selves are all supposed to be and stop molding us and fitting us into boxes.
Speaker 3:Exactly I agree.
Speaker 2:I just want to say like okay, so people listen to all this info. I just want to say like okay, so people listen to all this info. What is like one way that someone can integrate something they've learned here into their lives? Or like maybe each type has like a certain thing and that's what you should integrate today? That's a good question, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think one of the big ones, like for 70% of the population, is start to trust your gut. Like those gens and mani gens have got to start getting in touch with their gut. And the thing with relationships too is like gens and mani gens respond to yes, no questions that our sacral says yes, it says no. So if somebody asks me, the example I often give is like in the morning, what, what do you want for supper? I'm like I don't know. Supper is hours and hours away and it's just a broad topic. I don't know If they said do you want to go out for supper? Yes, no, yes, I do. Or maybe I say no, no, I don't. My gut says not really. I want to be in my pajamas. I'm thinking in my head I just want to come home. Do you want me to bring something home? Yes, do you feel like Thai or Italian, this or that? My sacred can make a decision. I feel like something spicy. Let's go Thai.
Speaker 1:So Brian needs to ask yes or no questions to me and Marty.
Speaker 3:Yes or no questions, and I do.
Speaker 1:I do that with Marty because I know that from you and it's like I forgot that. That's where I learned it.
Speaker 3:So when you're getting him dressed, do you want to put your pants on first or your shirt? Not do dressed? Which one of these things?
Speaker 1:even could trick his brain a little bit. Put your pants on first, or your socks. Yeah, brian, don't tell him to wear a Bob Marley shirt. You should have seen this the other morning. You were getting all his frustration because you were acting like the toddler.
Speaker 2:I'm like it's Bob Marley's birthday. We need to honor Bob Marley. I'm wearing my Bob Marley shirt. You need?
Speaker 1:to too. He's like no, I don't want to, and I'm like I'm not fighting. Let him put on whatever he wants, Like he is a mani-gen. We're not telling him what to do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. So I think for gens and mani-gens, basically, it's learning to trust your sacral. Yeah For reflectors. Think about your environments. You, like you know just the environment that you're in is so important for you, I think, with all the energy types, is trust, trusting yourself.
Speaker 3:We don't listen to ourselves. It's like we said at the beginning, brian, that internal, we're always looking for external validation. What would somebody else do, or what should I do, what do I want to do, what do I feel in my body, what's my heart's desire? And we can do another podcast, I guess, on profiles and also authorities, like how we make decisions. But decisions should always be made from a feeling in your body. It's either your intuition or it's your gut instinct or it's your heart's desire.
Speaker 3:But trusting your body and how we feel we're so out of touch with our bodies and that's where you know we'll be doing a little bit of that at the retreat as well some somatic work. It's just connecting people back to their bodies and not being stuck up in our heads and social media and thoughts and beliefs limiting this and we're so trapped. We need to get in touch with our bodies again because that will guide us through life so much more effectively and authentically than listening to the crazy thoughts between our brain that we're conditioned between. The ages of zero and seven is when most of our brain processing gets lodged in there and it sticks. We have to fight to get it out. Yeah, Agreed.
Speaker 1:This was such a good episode. I know it was long. You guys Thanks for sticking with us till the end, but I feel like this is so beneficial.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's just like this is very surface level still too. This goes really really deep.
Speaker 1:So I would definitely reach out to Peg Because don't you think, since we learned about it, it's been something I feel like we talk about almost daily. Or I'm telling someone about it or I'm bringing it up, or I'm thinking about some aspect of it, like it's a very much a part of our life or you're making fun of him, okay, you reflector.
Speaker 1:I got leverage. I can really make fun of him now. That's so funny. He's not wrong. But thanks, Peg, for being here. Is there anything else you want to say before we end this today?
Speaker 3:I don't think so. Just thanks for letting me come on and chat with you guys. It's been fun and I think we could chat forever and ever we probably could.
Speaker 1:We will maybe do a part two when you have the opening again. Let us know if you'd like to hear part two or uh, what you think about human design. We'd love to hear from you, but go another layer deeper.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks everybody for listening. Okay, appreciate you, peg. Stay awesome, everybody later. Bye.