The Love Movement
We are starting a movement, centered around love to help raise the vibration of this beautiful planet.
You can expect to hear casual conversations and interviews with some amazing people as we chat about many topics all centered around three main pillars:
Loving Yourself: Explore practical tips, personal stories, and scientific insights on self-love.
Loving Others: Hear inspiring stories of kindness, empathy, and connection. From random acts of love to deep friendships, we celebrate the beauty of human bonds
Loving the Planet: Dive into discussions about environmental consciousness, sustainable living, and our responsibility to care for our beautiful home. Discover how self love extends to nurturing the Earth and creating a more compassionate world.
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Ep 8: Finding Freedom in Forgiving: A Personal Exploration
What if the key to personal peace and healing is hidden in the act of forgiveness?
Join us as Brian shares his deeply personal journey of overcoming a turbulent childhood and relationship with his father. Through his story, we uncover how unresolved grievances, if left unchecked, can lead to a cycle of resistance, resentment, and revenge.
Brittany and Brian talk about the importance of forgiveness and breaking free from negativity to raise our collective vibration.
By reflecting on Brian's experiences with his father, we emphasize the role of empathy in understanding generational trauma and the necessity of forgiveness for personal peace.
By shifting the lens inward, we explore the transformative power of self-forgiveness and through adopting the mindset that life happens FOR us, not TO us, we can move beyond a victim mentality to embrace growth and learning.
Listen in as we share personal stories and practical tools like Vishen Lakhiani's six-phase meditation, guiding you on a path to emotional well-being and empowerment through forgiveness.
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6 Phase guided Meditation - Vishen Lakhiani
you're listening to the love movement with your hosts britney and brian johnston.
Speaker 2:We're starting a movement centered around love to help raise the vibration of this beautiful planet.
Speaker 1:If that's your vibe, hang out with us as we chat about many topics all centered around three main pillars Loving yourself, loving each other and loving the planet. So if you're ready, let's jump in. Welcome to episode eight of the podcast. Today, we're talking about forgiveness.
Speaker 2:That's a big topic.
Speaker 1:But first Brian has something he wants to tell you. I was like you don't need to tell them this.
Speaker 2:Well, I was feeling a little under the weather this week and my throat's been kind of scratchy, so I feel like I'm just going to randomly have a cough attack.
Speaker 1:And we're not stopping the recording, so stay tuned for that. Tonight's topic though it's a big one. We're talking about forgiveness, which is a super broad topic because it can apply to small things, like someone cutting you off in traffic or taking your parking spot, to unimaginable life events that can shatter entire families. So Brian had said it really well. He said the bigger the event usually the harder it is to forgive. So I'm not sure whoever is listening to this, like where you're coming from when it comes to events in your life and things that you either have forgiven or working on forgiveness, or maybe realize that you need to forgive, but just sort of know that this is a pretty broad range when it comes to forgiveness. So this was Brian's idea to have this conversation about this topic. So what made you like want to talk about this about?
Speaker 2:this topic. So what made you like want to talk about this? I feel like it's like every day there's something that comes up in the conversation, or like you see it right in your face in the world, where something is happening to someone because they haven't forgave, and like we can even even look at the wars right now that are happening because one side didn't forgive the other side and there's just people dying from unforgiveness.
Speaker 1:And it could just be over.
Speaker 2:It could just be over If there was just forgiveness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my first place that I remember in my life learning about forgiveness was when we worked with our first mentor, Keith Kokner for anybody that's heard of him, so we worked with him about gosh 2009, I think, is when we started.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like going on close to 15 years ago now, a long time ago. We worked with him for a long time and one of the biggest things that he always talked about was the three R's, as he said it. So the first R is resistance, which is basically cutting off communication or like putting up a wall. So think of any time that you're maybe annoyed with somebody or pissed off at them or whatever it's like. You just sort of like resist them and you do that. You're just like I'm just not going to talk to them. I mean, have you done that?
Speaker 2:All the time. Yeah, do it to you sometimes.
Speaker 1:I do it to you sometimes too. I feel like relying if we say we have never done that. As humans, we do that, but then it leads to resentment, which is just a negative emotion towards something, and then that leads to revenge, which is an attempt to get even.
Speaker 2:No, it's an attempt. You can never actually get, even it's an attempt. It's an attempt, you can never actually get, even it's an attempt it's an attempt, yeah, so he.
Speaker 1:What keith always said was the three r's will always, always, always lead to self-destruction. And it's funny because around the time that we were learning this, we had kind of a I don't know an event in our life, your life, yeah, sort of um, yeah, I'm gonna talk about that.
Speaker 2:Um, but when you're in these three states, or any one of them, for a long period of time, you just automatically become a negative person. Oh yeah, like we know people that are just bitter all the time think of it. Everybody knows those people yeah, I remember our neighbor in the, our first house we bought oh my god I just met this guy.
Speaker 2:I'm then I'm like one of the nicest guys y'all ever meet. And as soon as I meet this guy, he already hates me. And I'm like what the hell is wrong with this dude? And I found out a lot of stuff about him. Well, he worked in a meat packing plant, so all he did he was around death all day. So that would be, that would be hard on someone's you know psyche every day.
Speaker 2:But uh, he was just a very negative person he was. He was getting mad at me about people who lived at the house before me. I might have nothing to do with that yeah and there's just people like that out in the world and they're just hurting themselves, just being bitter all the time. Yeah, so we don't want. We don't want to be a bitter person yeah, for sure and but a perfect example.
Speaker 2:Uh, like britain was talking about. Um, let me go back. I just want to make this a long or a short, shorter version of a lifelong story here. Um, so it's pretty vulnerable. I'm going to share a personal story about my dad.
Speaker 2:So, growing up, my dad was. He was an asshole growing up. Let's just be real, he was an asshole. There's some physical abuse, verbal abuse, like you wouldn't believe, all the time, like my household was always. It was always very stressful. You never knew when something was going to go off. You say the wrong thing and it could be. It could be totally normal, happy and just flick a switch and there'd be things being thrown around, yelling, screaming. It was stressful and I'm a pretty sensitive guy. So imagine a kid being in this state all the time, where you don't. It's unpredictable and just the way he was with my mom is horrible. So he was like this growing up. And then we had this one event in oh man, what year is it? Yeah, 2009. My dad. Eventually he flipped out. He destroyed my mom's whole house. It was a huge thing. We sent him to the psych ward 2010.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, 2010, sorry, 2010. Sent him to the psych ward. It was a lot. There's a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot of little things we can talk about there, but eventually, what happened is I was working at a town. I was on the highway coming back into town, it was dark and my mom's calling me. So I pick up the phone and my mom's friend starts talking to me and I hear my mom in the background screaming her bloody head off and I don't know what's going on. And this lady's like Brian, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:Pull over.
Speaker 2:I'm driving like pull over and she's like there's been an incident here. Pull over. I'm driving like pull over and she's like there's been an incident here. So what happened is my dad. He attempted to commit suicide Attempted yeah, he was not successful and it was absolutely horrible. The pain he caused my family was unbearable at the time and this was right not long after we started working with Keith. So we had some of these tools in our life to to deal with some of this stuff like this. I remember my mom, my brother. They couldn't believe how I was dealing with this because they were like completely broken and I was dealing with it very different and they couldn't believe how I was dealing with it because I had these tools and I don't know. It was just really hard. I'm just thinking about this. It's like bringing the emotions back up.
Speaker 2:But, oh man, it's like thinking about this all right now. It's just making.
Speaker 1:It's making me sweat yeah, I can tell, I can see I'm losing my train of thought.
Speaker 2:Just just talking about this. Um, uh, yeah, I'm trying to think of what direction you want to take.
Speaker 2:I don't even know where I was going to go with this well, just about how you got that phone call um, yeah, so I got this phone call, but oh the thing, the thing with forgiveness is, when you have, um, some tools in your life to deal with them, it doesn't need to be a thing that you that needs to affect you for a long time and you have to forgive down the road, you, you can deal with events as they happen, yeah, instead of dragging them on. It's like when we have someone to something to forgive, it's because we have that stuck energy. I think I might talk about another podcast, but we have this stuck energy in us.
Speaker 1:Samskara is what it would be called yeah.
Speaker 2:And it just builds and builds in us and every time we think about that thing, that emotion comes up again. So, just letting this flow through us and we release it, and it doesn't have to be a big thing. So okay, 10 years go by. Oh, I guess it would be 13 years go by. Um, I don't know. This is actually when, when Marty was just before Marty was conceived, even we realized we had some work to do. I think we talked about us on the other podcast too, but I wrote my dad a big letter, basically forgave him for a bunch of stuff, and, um, he started calling the police on me saying I stole his bike from him back in 1999 and all this stuff, right.
Speaker 2:And so it's like Well, and saying all this stuff that's untrue about the letter to other family members and just completely twisting the truth. Yeah, it's like so I'm, I'm trying to forgive him and he's making it harder to forgive again, right? So years go by, uh, we move out to Sook here and at this point, like I'm not even thinking about him anymore, like I'd have no negative emotion to him. It's just like, okay, he's just a sad old man, whatever. And he's RCMP are calling me again and he's like they're saying okay, well, you stole his bike, what's the deal here? So I had to explain to him what his mental state is, all this stuff. And I'm like man, what I'm trying to forgive this dude and he just will not let things go.
Speaker 2:And he's a perfect example of someone who's in the three r's. Yes, all the time he my whole life he's always been um in resentment towards someone. He's got a thousand stories. He's told them to me a million times. So people have wronged him. The revenge he's tried to get on them. Like I remember there was a dude at a video store growing up and something happened. So he stole a bunch of video games from this guy and that was his revenge. Like just stupid things like that he would do.
Speaker 1:He's always in these three states, and it ended up actually echoing self-destruction and he tried to end his life. Remember, keith would say that all the time he's like no matter what, if you were in these three hours, it will be self-destruction, and it was literally so soon after we learned this that this happened with your dad yeah, this was right before our wedding, so we're like well, the day that it happened was also ironic. I don't know if you want to go there or not, but yeah, well, I ended up being the exact same.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, this, I'm gonna get into that actually. So after this was going on, where um just last year, when he was telling me, um, or he phoned the cops and said that I stole his bike and all the stuff, and I ended up talking to him on the phone and he's just like going absolutely mental on me again, like he was when I was young, like who is this person? Why is he doing this? I'm like, okay, well, he's, he's got a mental illness. So I started thinking about this and I started thinking about forgiveness and love, like through love and compassion. So I started to think about him as a person. What makes him be like this? Why is he doing this stuff to me? Why was he doing this stuff to um, to everyone in his life all the time, the ones he's supposed to love? So I looked into his past. His dad was even more of an asshole than he was my one uncle's the day he died.
Speaker 2:My grandpa died said it was the best day of his life because he wasn't scared he wasn't scared anymore.
Speaker 2:He had to live in fear all the time like that's pretty crazy to think about. And then, okay, so his, his dad, was an abusive a-hole right. And then when my dad was 20 was when my sister died. My dad was the one who was with my sister when this thing happened to her and he had a lot of guilt about it. A lot of family members and stuff were saying that he did all this stuff on purpose and can you imagine having that kind of guilt on you?
Speaker 1:So he's got self-abuse, um he has a lot of self forgiveness to do as well, and he didn't have any kind of tools growing up.
Speaker 2:So so I started realizing all this stuff. Okay, hang on, my dog is under my feet tapping train to no, he wants us to hold Um. So he didn't have any of these tools. He didn't have any kind of like. There was no help back then there was no mentorship. There was no mentorship. There was no mental anything. It was like whatever's going on in your life, you just deal with it.
Speaker 1:Well, nobody talked about it either.
Speaker 2:Probably no one talked about anything, so I just started looking at this through love and compassion. That's the experience he had. He didn't know any better, and I just started feeling sorry for him. So, instead of me being mad at him for doing all this stuff, I was just like, oh man, he just needed some love, he needed some guidance. He didn't know any better. And once I started having these realizations about him, I was just like, oh man, that's really sad and I didn't have to. I didn't have to have these feelings towards him anymore, cause it was just like that's just, that's how he grew up.
Speaker 1:So it's like to forgive cause. Would you say that you've forgiven him?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I, just I don't think about it anymore.
Speaker 1:And that's actually when we were learning from Keith. I remember asking him once cause at this particular time I was struggling a lot with the relationship I had with my stepmom growing up and I said how do I know if I've really forgiven her? And he said if you hear her name how do you? Word that Do you remember when you?
Speaker 1:hear the name is there any negative emotion and I was like, oh, okay, I haven't forgiven her. I just remember thinking like, okay, I'm not there yet. And then it was a few years later. We were at my stepbrother's wedding in Mexico and I remember feeling like sick to my stomach to go because I hadn't seen her in years. But that trip really was the trip for me that allowed me to give that forgiveness to her, because I truly haven't had any of those negative emotions that I've had towards her growing up since then and that was in 2015 because I just don't think about it anymore. It doesn't affect my life and I think that's how you kind of know when you've forgiven somebody, would you say that you just like don't. It's almost like you don't think of it, in a sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause it's just, it's a negative thing that comes up in your head and it feels gross.
Speaker 1:so it's like when you think of that thing do you have a gross feeling right and it's funny, the revenge piece that people just like want this attempt right, like getting even or getting back at people or whatever, which you never really can. It's like that saying of you know, it's like drinking the poison yourself and thinking it's going to kill the other person yeah, but when in when in fact it's actually it's hurting you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it really, really does. There's so many studies on this, like negative emotions unforgiveness is one of the biggest ones has negative effects on your health, like a lot of disease is caused by unforgiveness, resentment well what's?
Speaker 1:disease, it's dis ease in your body. And think about if you're listening to this. Think about somebody who, when you hear their name, your skin just kind of crawls you. You like your body sort of like clenches up a little bit and you just like you feel maybe a little bit nauseous. You want to avoid them, you don't want to talk to them or whatever like that's dis ease in your body. That is someone that needs to be forgiven, and the cool thing about forgiveness, I find when I learned about this, was that they don't have to know that you're forgiving them. It's not like you need to call them up or write them a letter like you did. You know you, it's you forgive for your peace, yeah, and to get your power back and to get your health back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and on that, like thoughts have thoughts or energy. Like thoughts have actual physiological effects in your body that can cause disease, but they can also heal you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a show on Netflix called heal.
Speaker 2:Literally Joe dispenses. Whole thing is about thoughts healing your body, right?
Speaker 1:the other thing, too, about forgiveness that I was reading about was that it doesn't always mean restoring the relationship, and when I think back to any of the bigger, you know situations in my life that I've needed to forgive. I haven't restored those relationships, so just know that that's not the goal. The goal isn't to have the same relationship you had before. It's to not have any negative emotions towards that person when their name is brought up, when you see them yeah, it's, it's literally just moving on yeah, because forgiveness is about you, it's not about the other person.
Speaker 1:It's the biggest, I think, thing that you can get from this podcast yeah it's, it's not about you, but like so.
Speaker 2:Humans were designed like evolutionary level, whatever. We're always looking out for ourself. So I think a lot of people who wrong someone else, it wasn't their intention to harm you Technically, you just might've been there at the time, right, you might've had nothing to do with with that or with harming you, it was all it was them. Yeah, you just happen to be quote unquote, you know the victim of it and but you don't necessarily have to be a victim like. There's a whole victim mentality. My dad was a victim about everything.
Speaker 1:He still is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but some people are victims to everything.
Speaker 1:And again, listening to this, you know who those people are. Hopefully it's not you. Likely it's not you if you're listening to a podcast on forgiveness. Not likely, but yeah, it's so true. So you're reading that book, or is that what that was from that book?
Speaker 2:Which one?
Speaker 1:The soul book.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. So there's a couple ways I wanted to go with this so you can forgive people through love and compassion, like I said with my dad, where you realize where the person came from and you maybe don't know where they came from and the stuff that happened to them, but you can make up a story oh, that person did that because of this that happened to them. You can make up a story about why they did something that serves you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, that's like to protect your ego. Yeah, the other way I wanted to look at this is that everything was planned out. Now, this is kind of a different concept. It's basically you have like a soul planning group, so this is a soul planning like a soul group of people that are in your life, and this is before you were. You were even born.
Speaker 2:So these are people that you this has to do with like reincarnation, almost Believe it or not. It's a neat way to view the world and I think it's an easier way to look at forgiveness when you can think about events that happen in your life that are hard, that are planned out Like all this was planned out. So everything that's happened to you was planned out with your soul group on purpose and it was for your evolution of your soul's growth basically Sounds pretty out there. Read the book. Soul's Plan is one of them. There's a lot of books on this. Glorious Canon, I think, has some stuff on that as well. You don't have to subscribe to this for you, but if you just think about it a little bit, like I said, it's easier to look at hard events yeah, for sure, through all this was oh this.
Speaker 2:This happened to me because this is exactly how it was supposed to happen when's that quote that you've probably heard a million times?
Speaker 1:it's like life is happening for you and not to you, because a lot of times in events like shitty events happen in our life, we think, well, why does this have to happen to me? And you play, and it's easy to fall into that victim role and to then like not do the forgiving whether it's to yourself or to other people based on the event.
Speaker 2:But everything in life, when you look back, actually happens like for you and part of exactly what you're saying with this like it's part of your soul's growth and if you don't believe in the soul thing, just believe that things happen to you or for you so you can learn a lesson from it. Yeah, and that's the whole thing about this soul's plan is every like you come back in different lifetimes and your evolution as your soul, you have different lessons, you have different life experiences to live and in this lifetime you got to learn these things and if you don't learn, you got to come back the next lifetime and learn, learn it again I love looking at it through that.
Speaker 1:It's a neat concept.
Speaker 2:But it's easier to for these hard to get through these hard things when you realize, oh, like this is what's happened to me well, just a shift in perspective, is a tool in your tool belt, essentially to go through and navigate hard times yep so forgiveness, do you think this has to be like it, you know, because you need to a lot of us, I think to forgive ourselves for a lot of things yeah, I think that's that's the biggest one is self-forgiveness, like think about your day-to-day life and negative self-talk that you do all the time, or thinking about things you did in the past that you yeah, you're just, you just beat yourself up for stupid things. Like every time I record a podcast, I've done the podcast and then I'm like oh man, I forgot to talk about this thing, forgot to talk about this thing.
Speaker 1:I could have said that better and you just like beat yourself up but then you get feedback and you're like oh well, that didn't, let's focus on who this is impacting. Who did listen to it? Yeah you know, and then it makes you feel better. It's so true, though. We're our own worst critic always, and they're and it's little things you can forgive yourself about like mine is like I. I wake up and I'm like I'm going to eat healthy today, and then I'm eating a tub of ice cream.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, you hear stories about someone who passed away and, because of someone, others actions potentially, and they'll blame themselves for that person's death. Like mom if you're listening, I'm you you were blaming yourself for what dad did to himself.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then my brother was blaming himself for what my dad did to himself.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like you weren't there, it was his actions, yeah. I could have done the same thing, but I knew better because I was just learning these things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you didn't blame yourself for what he did.
Speaker 2:No, not at all. I could have. I could easily had that justification in my head. I could have been oh, because this isn't this.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the thing, right. Like events happen in life, it's what we make them mean. That's going to, like um, determine how we feel about it, whether it's a positive or negative emotion or just neutral.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anything else. You feel like, like. I guess, do you think it's more important to forgive yourself or forgive others? Is it equal, like on that topic?
Speaker 2:I think it's. It's just a continuous thing that we always need to be doing Like. Here's an example, actually from last year. I don't even know if I told you about this, britt, but there was someone in high school I had wronged big time and it, honestly was been eating me up for like 20 years.
Speaker 2:You did not tell me that, Okay so last year I was like man, I just want to message this person and send them a voice note and apologize. I tried to find them online and maybe they blocked me or something. I cannot find this person for the life of me. So I just put it out there that you know my apologies and they're never going to get this apology. They're never going to know I did it, but I felt better after and I needed to do that so I could forgive myself, because what I had done was so far out of alignment with who I actually was or who I actually am that I've been beating myself up about it for 20 years.
Speaker 1:That's insane. I did not know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And after this podcast, you're going to tell me what you're talking about. We won't type all that information on the podcast. Oh, but, yeah, but it raised your vibration right, like when you can, like put that stuff on paper or put it out into the universe somehow, and how you just felt like that weight lifting off of you, so to speak. Yeah, it raises your vibration and like, isn't that the goal of what we're doing here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, to speak, yeah, it raises your vibration and like, isn't that the goal of what we're doing here? Yeah, and you've got to love exactly, and you've got to realize that the you know if you did something in the past and you are not forgiving yourself for it. That was the old you. That was part of what you needed to do to grow, to get you to the person you are now, that now you're like, well, I'd never do that again. Well, good, yeah, you learned.
Speaker 1:You learned something from it and that's how it should be, but don't let that linger over you your whole life.
Speaker 2:No, and but it can. It can be hard, but like the person that did that, they weren't as evolved as you now. They were a younger, dumber self.
Speaker 1:Yeah so how? If someone's like, okay, I need to forgive this person for this stupid thing that I did, what's the advice Like? How does someone even begin on the path of forgiveness?
Speaker 2:Well, there's, you know. Look at them, look at it through love and compassion, Kind of like I did with my dad. Why did this? Why was this person that way?
Speaker 1:What made them do that. Typically you hear the saying too, too, maybe you've heard it is hurt people hurt people. So whether you're doing the one, you're doing the hurting. Then there's maybe some trauma and some hurt that you need to deal with yourself. Because I feel like that's definitely I've been the like, I've done that before. And if other people are hurting you, it's like, yeah, where in their life have they been hurt, just like you recognize with your dad.
Speaker 1:When you looked at that through love and compassion, you all of a sudden realized, okay, well, it makes sense that he's hurting me because he was hurt 100 and it was the same thing with my stepmom, like there was things that I realized in an energy healing session that I did actually was weird, because I did this energy healing session probably two, three months ago and the first person that came up and it was my stepmom and I hadn't honestly thought much about her um, since like 2015 at this you know my stepbrother's wedding when I sort of like felt like I released it all. But it came up again and it just was almost like a full circle moment and it was like I really could just close the door on that chapter and that part of my life I mean, I lived with her from when I was in grade four until I was grade 10, happened for a reason when I look back, like if my dad hadn't married her and we didn't move to Swift Current, I wouldn't be with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So like thank you, dad, for marrying her and having that relationship. And then the ironic piece.
Speaker 2:What a sacrifice he did.
Speaker 1:No, but like it's so funny when nothing makes sense. When you look forward in life, when you look back on it, it makes sense. You can connect the dots when you look backwards.
Speaker 1:It's neat, it's super cool. And then, of course, you guys, it's neat, it's super cool. And then, of course, you guys this is so random and weird. Brian asks me to be his girlfriend on their wedding anniversary. That's right. I just always kind of felt a little bad about that. But just change your story. That's something Keith always taught us, too was just change your story, because events happen in life, but what matters is what we make them mean, which is the story that we're in control of, right? Brian's dad attempted to kill himself. That's an event. What you made that mean is different than what your brother made that mean. It's different from what your mom made that mean. And whatever story you each made that mean is, then, how you feel about it, and all that matters is how you feel. You have to figure out how to get yourself in a positive emotion, and you do that by changing the story to be something that is a positive and empowering way to look at it, through a different perspective, through a different lens, you know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and these are just things we need to learn. These are tools like um uh, meditation is a is amazing tool. Um vision lakiani he what was his first book? Code of the extraordinary mind code of the extraordinary mind. Yeah, he's got a few other good ones, um, but he's got a meditation called the six phase meditation oh, I love that one, it's 20 minute.
Speaker 2:Um, I've done it lots. I should probably just start doing that one again. But the third phase is actually forgiveness. So if you do this every day, you're and he actually recommends, uh forgiving people every single day. But yeah, the third phase is is forgiveness.
Speaker 1:So every day you'd be forgiving someone for something and it might be the same person it could be, the same person could be the person you're living with, like, for example, right before this podcast started, brian decided to make a bowl of cereal and he literally somehow threw the carton of milk onto my brand new flowers that my company just sent me in the mail, like these beautiful thanksgiving flowers, just ruined the flower on them.
Speaker 1:I'm like first of all, when have you ever thrown a carton of milk on the counter? He's like, will you forgive me? So it seemed it could be silly things like that, but it can also be really like big things, because we're all going to go through things in life that are so hard, so insurmountable, so unfathomable that's not even a word unfathomable, um. But if you just can think about how can you reframe it and look at it through love and compassion, it will help you to forgive and to move on quicker and to not let those negative feelings sit in your body, because the three r's resistance, resentment and revenge will always lead to self, not others. Self-destruction, yes, whether that's in the form of an illness, which I think a lot of people actually end up really ill simply because of all of this unforgiveness and dis-ease in their body.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like there is example after example. You can find online actual research studies where people being in this unforgiveness states yeah, they are sick, yeah.
Speaker 1:For sure, well, we had a friend. I actually want to get her on the podcast and interview her. For sure, well, we had a friend. I actually want to get her on the podcast, interview her.
Speaker 1:She had a very like life-threatening um liver thing that had happened, liver yeah, it was liver yeah and she'll tell the whole story when we get around here, because we were just talking in costa rica about this. But she literally watched that movie heal on net, netflix and started implementing some of what she had watched and the doctors basically considered her a miracle because her liver started regenerating on its own, like literal miracles will happen because of forgiveness. It seems so silly but it's so huge. So, yeah, meditation's great Journaling, getting it out like just literally taking a piece of paper, putting a line down the middle, writing down the event on one side and what you've made that mean on the other side, and then flip the page, write it again, line down the middle, same event on the left side, but then change what you're going to make it mean that one event of just like rewriting a new story.
Speaker 2:And Keith would always say and lie to yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, keith would always say it. Like you feel like you're lying to yourself when you're writing this new story, he goes, but you've been lying to yourself the whole time anyways. So if you're going to lie to yourself, anyways, lie to yourself on the right direction and like that is a tool that was so ingrained in us with him for the last 10 years that like we do it subconsciously now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but part of us sharing and spreading the love movement is like we got to show some of these tools to other people that don't have those resources. I think that schools should be teaching. There should be an Emotions 101 in schools. Have you ever seen Emot emotions 101 in schools? Have you ever seen emotions 101 in schools? No, like kids are going through the most ridiculous crazy things in schools because they don't know anything about emotions. No one's teaching them anything. Yeah, and just think like how much drama would not be in schools, like I always think of like high school girls. Oh my God, the worst, it's insane. I remember all the stuff you guys went through, but most of that stuff was made up stories, it all was. It's crazy. I'm glad we have a boy.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say so. Like how much drama would be eliminated and like how many wars would be avoided. How many deaths would be avoided. How many deaths would be avoided if we knew how to do our emotions properly from a young age.
Speaker 1:I don't know where this thought just came from, but like I even think of, like all the drunk driving incidences. Like why are the people drunk and driving in the first place? Like the people that are doing that also need to probably do some forgiving so they're not just numbing their emotions talking about emotions with alcohol Circle back to our episode on alcohol. Like there's just so much more we can do to raise the vibration than just live in this low vibe energetic state that's going to help nobody and no one.
Speaker 2:There is actually psilocybin therapies that deal with this exact thing right here, here we go, again turning into a mushroom podcast we're turning into a mushroom podcast, but there there's a lot of stored um unforgiveness and negative emotions and stuff that are that's in our subconscious, that we don't even think of day to day. That's affecting our life. And the neat thing with um psilocybin therapy is it brings that out and brings it to the surface so you can release it, so you can move on like it's brilliant, yeah isn't that amazing?
Speaker 2:yeah, isn't it. There's a plant that grows in the ground from Mother Earth that has all these amazing benefits. Oh my gosh. And most people are too scared to try them because of what they've heard on you know in the past from someone who wasn't qualified Basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Is there anything else you want to say, so that we don't end this podcast and that you're kicking yourself because you didn't say something.
Speaker 2:as a spirit, you know yourself as like on a spiritual level and to truly do that you need to move forward with self-forgiveness, or with self-forgiveness and just forgiveness in general.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so who can?
Speaker 2:you forgive today. Yeah, like I was just thinking about this topic, I was like man, there's still that guy from high school that wrecked my, my one record that I don't even think I ever forgave him.
Speaker 1:when I was a dj, he wrecked my one record and I was like I don't think I forgave him and catch yourself maybe, hey, and like all the different scenarios that come up, and you're like, oh, and you get you feel yourself getting annoyed or angry about a situation. It's like get rid of that, get it out of your body. Yeah, there's. There's literally so many little things that we can forgive and how forgiveness is like a lifelong journey and I think it's like a muscle probably the more you use it, the easier it is the forgiveness muscle. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The forgiveness movement. We're starting another podcast. It's just going to be called the forgiveness podcast.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, what is happening. We need to go to bed. It. Oh my goodness, what is happening. We need to go to bed. It's really late. You guys don't want to know what time it is. Anyways, we're so happy that we finally got another episode out here, because we have a lot that we want to do. We just got to get them done and this one, hopefully, is helpful for anybody that was interested in learning more on this topic of forgiveness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, please, we really want to hear from you guys. Message us if this has been helpful, if you got any advice or any other topics you want us to talk about.
Speaker 1:If there's something that you think of when you're listening to this podcast, this might really help them. Share it with them. Yeah, share the podcast. I have a rule when I listen to podcasts, I always share it with someone. Any podcast I listen to, someone has to get it after I've listened to it. Yeah, and usually I'm so excited about the podcast I'm forwarding it like 10 minutes into the podcast, not even having listened to the whole thing that is absolutely true.
Speaker 2:Yep, right now. Okay, love you guys. Uh, you guys stay awesome and we will see you on the next one. Peace out, bye, everyone.