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We are starting a movement, centered around love to help raise the vibration of this beautiful planet.
You can expect to hear casual conversations and interviews with some amazing people as we chat about many topics all centered around three main pillars:
Loving Yourself: Explore practical tips, personal stories, and scientific insights on self-love.
Loving Others: Hear inspiring stories of kindness, empathy, and connection. From random acts of love to deep friendships, we celebrate the beauty of human bonds
Loving the Planet: Dive into discussions about environmental consciousness, sustainable living, and our responsibility to care for our beautiful home. Discover how self love extends to nurturing the Earth and creating a more compassionate world.
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Ep 4: Unlocking the Healing Power of Plant Medicine: How to Journey Responsibly
Imagine waking up one day with a newfound sense of confidence and clarity. That's exactly what happened to Brian after his transformative experience with mushroom therapy just two weeks earlier. Join us in this episode of the Love Movement as we uncover the profound impacts of his journey, from a heightened presence with his son, to a shift towards meditative music, all while feeling like he underwent "soul surgery." This isn't just Brian's story; it's a gateway to understanding the untapped potential of psilocybin mushrooms in mental health and well-being.
Ever wondered how something as natural as mushrooms can promote neuroplasticity or help break the chains of addiction? We'll explore these benefits, shedding light on the therapeutic potential of psilocybin mushrooms. From easing anxiety about dying to the creation of new neural pathways, these fungi are more than just a trip—they're a tool for transformation. But with great power comes great responsibility; we'll discuss the importance of proper setup, mindset, and the risks involved, including why picking wild mushrooms isn't a good idea and the importance of sourcing from reputable companies.
Ready to embark on your own journey? We'll guide you through the essentials of safely navigating a mushroom trip, from the importance of 'set and setting' to the crucial integration process afterward. Discover how to create a safe and comfortable environment, the role of music in shaping your experience, and why some conditions make mushroom use a no-go. Embark on this adventure with us and open yourself up to new perspectives and deeper connections.
Brian's Mushroom Playlist
James' Mushroom Trip Checklist
James Xander, Beginners guide to psychedelic trips: 8 things to know before your first trip.
James Xander Mushroom Podcast - Psychedelic podcast with amazing interviews.
Andrew Hubberman, How Psilocybin can rewire your brain, it's therapeutic Benefits & risks (he has many other mushrooms related ones as well) -
Disclaimer:
1. Legal Considerations: Personal use of psilocybin (the primary psychoactive compound in magic mushrooms) is legal in some places, but retail sales are generally not permitted. Adults can grow, possess, and share psilocybin for personal use, but selling it is prohibited.
2. Responsible Use: While some people explore the therapeutic potential of psilocybin, it’s essential to emphasize responsible use. Always verify the legality of psilocybin in your specific location and follow any local regulations. If you choose to consume magic mushrooms, consider factors like set, setting, and dosage to ensure a safe and positive experience.
3. Never eat or pick wild mushrooms. This discussion is solely for entertainment purposes and is not intended to persuade anyone to try mushrooms. The discussion is our own personal view and should not be taken as fact, always do your own research.
Disclaimer:
Remember that individual responses to psychedelics can vary, and it’s crucial to approach them with respect and caution. 🍄✨
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Speaker 2:Brittany and Brian Johnston. We're starting a movement centered around love to help raise the vibration of this beautiful planet.
Speaker 1:If that's your vibe, hang out with us as we chat about many topics all centered around three main pillars Loving yourself, loving each other and loving the planet. So if you're ready, let's jump in. Okay, so we're going to talk more about mushrooms. I'm excited. We're going to talk more about mushrooms. I'm excited. We're going to talk about benefits, potential risks. I think you know why are people afraid to do this, what's the stigma around it, all of that, how to safely do a mushroom drip, what happens after and like the integration process, and a little bit more about your journey two weeks ago now. So let's just do a disclaimer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we need to do a disclaimer because we're not experts. These are opinions. This is just coming from the research I've done, and I do a lot of research when I when I dive into something and yeah, we don't sell mushrooms. Mushrooms, arerooms are apparently illegal. Why they're illegal, that's a whole other podcast, that's another episode, something that we'll probably never do. But yeah, this is actually, this is plant medicine and we want to get into, yeah, how to explore it a little bit more okay.
Speaker 1:So first, you know, it's been two weeks, pretty much exactly, since your first real experience with your journey mushroom journey. Um, I want to ask you what have you noticed? How are you feeling? What's different?
Speaker 2:it's really interesting. Um, I feel like I'm like walking in a new, like a new confidence, like a new light, like I'm just like my eyes have been opened and I just see things different.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like you can't unsee what you saw during that, no, you can't I feel like you've talked to me about it every day since it happened. Yeah, it's like something so profound you can't come out the other side without being different in like in, like a good way okay, first of all, I don't know how many days after the trip this was, it was well. After we recorded the first episode about it, you were like, oh yeah, there was this really cool thing that happened and I was floored.
Speaker 2:What you told me so I feel like you have to tell everybody because it's it's so deep it's probably one of the more profound things that happened on the trip.
Speaker 2:So I was kind of like it's like I was sitting there and I was like spinning and there was pieces of like these pixelated chunks like flying out of my head and just like going off into space. And while this was happening it was, it was like the parts of me that I wanted to get rid of, that I wanted to change that. I you know pieces I didn't like about myself and while this was happening, I was, I just was. I remember like tearing up with like joy and just being like so relieved that this was happening. I was just watching it and I was just like it's, just like a weight was being lifted off my shoulders.
Speaker 1:That's so unreal so the crazy thing is that I'm talking to my cousin a couple of days later and we were talking about Reiki and energy healing and all this stuff, and she starts explaining this concept to me, which sounds very similar to what you explained just now, and she said it's called soul surgery. And I had to stop her and I was like, wait a second, this is what happened to brian on the trip. Like that sounds exactly like what you're talking about. So I don't know if that's accurate information or not, but I feel like you gave yourself soul surgery because it definitely, definitely felt like soul surgery.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to get into that more. Oh my God, okay, well let's talk about it.
Speaker 1:So what are some of the benefits?
Speaker 2:Okay, well, I have more stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1:Okay, you talk about what you want to talk about.
Speaker 2:So, continuing, the last couple of weeks I've noticed like an elevated mood. I've been less disturbed by things that normally set me off there. I've been less disturbed by things that normally set me off. There's less fucks given. That's good. Yeah, I feel more connected to everything I've. You know I had glimpses of what it's like to like deeply feel in love at, like this out of world level, and there's a sense of something bigger, which is pretty, which is pretty neat, more joy.
Speaker 2:I definitely feel more present, definitely like playing with marty this last week definitely feel more present our three-year-old son for anybody, yeah, our three-year-old son marty. Um, I listen to a lot of uh, like hip-hop and like reggae and I still love reggae, but I really noticed this last couple weeks that I didn't really want to listen to that anymore. I wanted to listen to more like meditative style music.
Speaker 1:I just felt like this, like chill vibe, or it was just like just like a, like a peaceful presence and so I just want, like I'm in the car and I'm listening to, like meditation kind of music I know we listened to it on the way into town with marty and I kind of liked it yeah it actually made him feel really calm yeah, it was just.
Speaker 2:It was just really nice.
Speaker 1:I just that was like a really weird thing, it was your mushroom trip playlist that you have right that's some of the stuff I listen to, because since I found out you've had that and you put in so much work. I've been listening to it in my office when I need to like focus and it actually, I swear to god, helps me focus yeah, I'll talk about how important music is later okay cool.
Speaker 2:Another thing I thought was really neat is well, I'm more open to things now I question things more.
Speaker 2:I I found myself even during the trip that I was I would experience something really neat about myself, or a situation or something happened to pass and I would. I was finding myself in the middle of the trip just being like huh, like wow, just like doing this, like weird, like wow face like just surprised. I'm just like questioning, like that's neat, that's neat, that's cool, instead of like something setting you off and being scared of whatever came up. Just be like, oh, wow, it's like let's go down that path. It's just like a more, like like an awareness, just noticing my thoughts more and just questioning what's happening rather than being like reactive to it interesting yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying
Speaker 2:I'm like interesting, that's interesting. So I just that's how I kind of look at things now, just like, huh interesting, you know what is that all about? Instead of you know having a reaction. It's like, I guess, coming from a neutral place yeah, it's more of a neutral place, like, yeah, it was really neat. So those are the things I noticed the last couple weeks. There's probably more, but that's uh. That's the main things okay, cool.
Speaker 1:Well, do you want to go back then to benefits? Where do you want to start?
Speaker 2:yeah, so this is a list of benefits that um I found just through my research. Um, there's probably more, but uh, really really helps people with depression, anxiety, and it lasts longer than, from the studies that I've read, than your typical antidepressant medicine, ssris that they call like it's. It's a longer, more, um I don't know deeply integrated fix, I guess, than taking these pharmaceutical drugs, uh, ptsd. It really, really helps with ptsd. Um one study on domestic violence, uh, that they did is that people are less aggressive after they have a mushroom trip just like chill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're more chill, they're more joy. There's more passion, compassion, like all that stuff. So less domestic violence, which is a good thing, it's non-addictive and it also helps with um Did you say alcoholism.
Speaker 1:You showed me an article.
Speaker 2:Alcohol, opioids smoking. It helps break those addictive bonds. It helps people with OCD. But, like myself, I haven't had a drink in two and a half months now. I would normally have a couple drinks every weekend. I just don't care to drink anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's funny because you don't that therefore I don't, because it's like if you would make a drink on a yeah, brian makes a really good margarita, if you don't know or a good caesar, that's like the two things I like, and normally on a weekend, we'd you know he'd make that, and I'm like, yeah, make me one. We watch a movie and yeah, you just haven't done it, so we just don't do it I'm drinking kombucha right now.
Speaker 2:You're drinking some arbon tea yeah, yeah, uh, it helps, uh, cluster headaches, uh, it's helped people with, actually with terminal illnesses, so people at end of life that are like, fearing that they're gonna die they'll.
Speaker 2:They'll bring people into um, these, these trips and because the things that they see it's, it's almost like a near-death experience in the trip and it eases their anxiety about dying because they're like, oh, like, if this is what it's going to be like, I don't have to really worry about like what's coming right, um, just general well-being, more loving, passionate um. Another really neat thing is neuroplasticity. So this is like your, your mind, making new neural connections, being able to think better, and then, with the, you know, the breaking addictions and stuff, it can change pathways in your brain that you don't want and it helps make new ones, but it doesn't just help make them during the trip. It's like a prolonged thing where, after the trip, your mind's able, like weeks and months after, your mind's still able, to make new neural connections and this is the thing that stops um, genuine after 25 you're great, it's like your brain, it's like you have like your, it's like you know you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you go on a mushroom trip and we can teach you new tricks, kind of thing interesting your mind will start thinking different um, you can't uh, you can't overdose on mushrooms. You could probably have a really crazy trip if you took too many.
Speaker 1:But you know jordan peterson, if you guys know him, he's done multiple seven gram trips wow, seven grams yeah, so well, it's funny because since we shared our first little episode which we didn't know would actually be a podcast to some close friends for some feedback and then just kind of slowly sent it out to a few more people it's crazy how many people actually do this and it's like not known yeah, some some of the brightest people in the world do mushrooms and they have do mushrooms have done.
Speaker 1:The difference is doing mushrooms in a therapeutic sense, for intention yeah not like how a lot of people because again some of our friends were like what you're doing, mushrooms, yeah, and had that same like negative connotation where they think, well, it's not just what you do at a party instead of drinking, like you just get high on shrooms and you trip out and it's like in a party setting, yeah, so there's such a, there's such a stigma to it, like it's grouped in like drugs, when really it's plant medicine and can be so therapeutic if it's used right yeah, you have to set up and I wouldn't talk about that, but you have to set it up properly to have a good trip, and when people have bad trips it's because the wrong frame of mind.
Speaker 2:There's so many things and yeah okay, well, that's cool too do you?
Speaker 1:want to talk about that first, or talk about risks I'll talk about the risks, uh, a little bit.
Speaker 2:So we talked about kind of the benefits, uh, some of the risks. Um, if you're picking wild mushrooms, there's mushrooms that look almost identical this is freaky, listen yeah and they almost look completely identical.
Speaker 2:Sometimes they will grow side by side and touch each other one is a psilocybin mushroom, the other is a deadly poison mushroom. So I actually found what I thought was psilocybin mushrooms um here in souk and I I took some pictures of it and I was like all excited, came home, did some more studying I'm like, oh, that's called a funeral bell. It's one of the most deadly funeral bell yeah, uh marginita so basically don't pick your own mushrooms yeah, don't pick your own mushrooms unless you're really yes, you really really because you did this trip.
Speaker 2:It was from, like a microdosing company yeah, it was a company I bought them from and if, when you know, if you buy them from a reputable place like that, they're going to be growing them in a facility, they know what they have. They're not some random mushrooms found in the forest, um, so you, there is a possibility of having a bad trip, but but you can reduce that with you know how to. I'm going to talk about how to safely have a trip. Emotionally painful things can come up like really painful. Dark stuff can come up. Yeah, they can be really scary mushroom trips, but I think I think this is why I'm scared to do it.
Speaker 2:But that can also be alleviated with what I'm going to talk about soon. Yeah, like is there all the risk.
Speaker 2:And then people are like, oh, there's all these risks. I'm like, yeah, but you can reduce that by 90% by doing the proper things. Right, okay, don't take it. If you're bipolar, you're you know, know, experience psychosis, if you have like schizophrenia or like schizophrenic people in your family, like there's a lot of things around that where you shouldn't be taking mushrooms because it can trigger something in your brain, because the neural connections if you know we're taking mushrooms makes basically your whole brain talk to each other like all the different parts will talk to each other when normally it's compartmentalized.
Speaker 2:Right, that makes sense. So this side only talks in this corner, in this quadrant, and it's all separate. When you take mushrooms, everything's connected. It's really really neat. Kids shouldn't be taking mushrooms, so kids what age? Anyone under 25 shouldn't be taking mushrooms because their natural neuroplasticity in their brain is still working, functioning and this can mess with that right. So this is like 25 and older right, so so yeah, that's pretty much it for the risks.
Speaker 1:I'm sure there's more okay, and so let's talk about how to safely do them this mushroom trip um, yeah, well, hey, you know what?
Speaker 2:let me talk about this one first. Okay, this kind of goes into risks a little bit too.
Speaker 1:A lot of people are scared to do mushrooms because they think that they're going to lose their minds well, or they're going to, they're just out of control, like that, I think, to any of my friends that I've talked to and how, why I feel scared of it still, yeah, I'm so intrigued by it and I want to do it, but I'm also the fear is overweighing it still, because I'm worried about not having control and like once I take that, I'm like in for it, like I gotta go through it you're always in control.
Speaker 2:Um, in a sense, like you're to like, I had to take a leak in the middle of this whole thing. Yeah, right, near the peak, I had to take a leak and I was like Luckily the toilet is like three steps from the bed, so I took my mask off, went in the bathroom. Shit was weird. But Was the room moving? Yeah, it was weird, but I could still. I could tell you know my feet were on the ground, I could feel everything normal.
Speaker 1:Was it anything like if you're like drunk at the bar going to the bathroom?
Speaker 2:Um, if you can remember those days, I feel like it's not as bad, but is it like that A little bit.
Speaker 2:Okay, a little bit, but yeah, it's, it's. It's different, but similar at the same time. Similar at the same time. Okay, yeah, you can still feel everything. You're well aware like. I remember parts where I was just like bawling my eyes out and in the dark, I could reach for a kleenex and take the kleenex and wipe my eyes. So it's not, you're not, like, you're not in your body anymore. You can, it's like you can snap into it and snap out of it on command. Okay, yeah, so you're still in control in that sense, and, yes, you're not. You're not going to lose control. Uh, you're not going to lose your mind. Um, you're not frying brain cells or anything what you do with drugs, yeah, like a lot of the crazy drugs, like math and stuff.
Speaker 2:Like you're frying brain, like you, you're killing yourself slowly. This has nothing to do with that. You're here. You're not frying your brain cells, you're creating more. You're building neurons, you're building connections, like it's.
Speaker 2:It's a, it's a positive thing it should be like the opposite of a drug, how people classify it as that yeah, that's why we call it plant medicine yeah, um, a lot of people don't want to do a trip because they think they're they'll encounter something like if they have some some in them, some trauma, something they don't want to stir up again. They might encounter that right in the trip and that might make them not want to do a trip because they know it's going to be a wild ride. But when you get to a certain point in your growth as a human and your evolution of yourself, you got to be like, hey, this thing is holding me back in life to a certain extent. I need to explore this more and get past it, to get to like the next level makes sense. All right, you want to talk about how to safely do mushroom trail?
Speaker 2:yeah, tell us about that yeah, so again, I'm not an expert in this. This is, this is stuff I found through lots of research. Um, the main term is called set and setting. So set refers to your mindset and this is like your intention of doing this. Going in like, are you doing this because you know your? You know person broke up with you and you just feel like crap and you just want to escape, like you know, if you go into running away from something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're running away from something. Um, if you're just in like the worst place in that day, like you don't want to do it, right, yeah, you have to have a good intention. What do I want to explore today? You've got to understand. It's like walking into therapy. You're walking into therapy, but these mushrooms are like an energetic. Look at them, like an energetic bean, and whatever energy you give them being, being or bean, I'm just kidding, I just want to turn it over.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm thinking of being a being a being, energetic, being like an energetic being okay, and whatever you, you know, project onto them, they're gonna give you and it's almost like you're whatever you want to get out of it. Your subconscious is going to be working on that thing. Um, before you go, you know, while you're in the mushroom trip, right, and you can talk to the mushrooms and stuff, like you can kind of guide your own trip in a sense to during it, because you know something might come up. You want to explore that more, kind of like what I did, right, and then so, on top of mindset, and you know you're set, which is your mindset, there's the setting and this is being in a safe place. Like imagine, um, you know you're going to go on a mushroom trip, you know you're going to go on a journey. If you have danger around you, possibility of something going wrong, that's going to lead to a bad trip too right so you want to be.
Speaker 2:You know you're going to be the only person in the in the room or the only person there doing doing the mushrooms, and everyone that's in, say this house or wherever you are. They need to be aware that you're doing mushrooms, not to interrupt you. Like it has to be, has to be a safe place. You know you're surrounded by. You know nice comfy pillows, you're on a bed. You can lay down. You got water. Um some snacks if you get hungry. I tend to always get hungry, so I have snacks um kleenex blankets, like you want to make it comfy. Yeah, it's got to be a very safe space.
Speaker 1:Do not be vulnerable at all doing and someone you said has to be in the house that knows you're doing it.
Speaker 2:That's called your trip sitter yeah, some people like to do it alone. I'm like I like to do it alone, I like knowing that you're like there somewhere if I need you, yeah, um, but then you know, this is why some people want to have a counselor with them, yeah, or a guide, because sometimes things are going to come up in this and you're going to want to talk about them, oh, during the trip, yeah, or you might need some help with something that's happening right there.
Speaker 2:Some people, some people want that right did you felt like you wanted that during yours no I just wanted you know a drink that one time yeah, he messaged me.
Speaker 1:I was at the post office. He's like, do you have any hydration?
Speaker 2:yeah, get some electrolytes some electrolytes, so next time I'm going to bring that into into the room with me. Um, you're gonna want music. Music is like your driver for the whole journey. You're gonna realize that this whole experience is fueled by the sounds and the frequencies and stuff you're listening to and what so I've been doing insane amounts of um, grooming on my, on my mushroom playlist and I go into a lot of other people's mushroom playlists to to find some of my music and some of the songs and music I've found. Just, it's scary like no wonder people are having bad trips. Some of the music people are listening to is eerie.
Speaker 1:It's just got way like way too fast at tempo it's like, and for anybody that doesn't know, brian was a dj. Yeah, he really has always cared about music and good music yeah, music, it's, it's always been my thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:So music is very, very, very important and there's uh, there's certain types of music. Like you, you want to start with a certain kind of music going into it. You, it's always been my thing, yeah. So music is very, very, very important and there's uh, there's certain types of music. Like you, you want to start with a certain kind of music going into it. You know your trip's gonna peak, which is called, uh, like the arc, like there's a whole you know journey on on your trip. It starts off slow and then it gets more intense and then it peaks at some point and it starts coming down to the movie. It's, it's like a movie. There's a climax to it. So you want to have a playlist that's kind of curated to lead you in, take you up. You know, at the peak of it, you want you know a lot of, you know bass and you know snares and just like more of a something with more of a beat Right, a little more intense, and then something that's going to lead you out of it and then something at the end where you're coming down and it's a little more light and like ethereal and kind of naturey.
Speaker 2:So you got to be intentional with your music. Um, you want to have to do this properly. You want to have an eye mask. You want to have everything that you're experiencing be internal. You don't want external things influencing you. You know people go on trips and they're walking around and they're seeing weird stuff and that's cool. That's an experience in itself. But if you're doing it for the right intention of a good outcome in this, you want to have everything internal, which is why you also want to have noise-canceling headphones that go over your ears Not earbuds, not earbuds noise-canceling over-ear headphones. With your eye mask.
Speaker 2:It's everything's inside, okay that makes sense it leaves less interruptions, and you don't want to have a YouTube playlist or a Spotify playlist where you just have the basic account and commercials are going to come up.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, that would wreck everything, yeah and even I didn't know what to do, because when I got home from the post office and I made your hydration drink, I like slowly opened the door, came in. I was like I'm just gonna set this right beside him and not like he's sitting there with his eye mask.
Speaker 2:And then all of a sudden he you must have noticed there was light coming through yeah, there's a little bit of light coming in, and you just were like you scared me and I was like I didn't know what to do because I was.
Speaker 1:so, if you guys don't know this like when brian started telling me he wanted to do a big trip by himself and not like in costa rica at a retreat, I was like, uh, no, like I'm not gonna know what to do if you need me, like, what kind of sitter am I? I don't even know what I'm in for, but I'm, I'm not, I'm not worried about it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that like talking about doing like retreats with a bunch of people, some people like that. There's, like you know, safety in numbers, there's people that guide you, um, but that's also other people's energy in a room that might make you have a different experience yeah, that's why I like.
Speaker 2:I like being by myself. I'm, you know, I know I don't have other people's energy around me, I don't have to worry about you know what's going on going on with them. Um, and another thing to think about, or another aspect, I guess, of having a safe mushroom trip, is know what to expect. A lot of people go into this and they'll have a bad trip because they don't know what's coming. Because what happens at the start of a trip? There's a big phase ramping up to the climax of anxiety, and people experience this anxiety, not knowing how to control it, not knowing how to breathe. Did you experience that? Oh, yeah, I knew it was coming, though, and so this stuff was happening to me and I was just breathing and I was like, hey, I just got to focus on my breath. I know this is part of the journey. I'm okay with it, like it was, it's, it's tough, and some people have a really really, really tough anxiety part of their trip. And yeah, I know, for for me, it was like I knew this was all happening.
Speaker 1:You know, preparedness opportunity yeah right and you always start, or I guess the first two times you tried to do the trip you didn't take enough because you took the capsule so it took longer to like kind of hit you, yeah, whereas this time you just dump the powder from the capsule right into your shake and hit you in 15 minutes, but like normally you take that what used to be an hour prior to kind of going into the trip to meditate yeah, is that something you suggest?
Speaker 2:yeah, definitely meditate, um at the start of your trip. So when, yeah, when you're going to start something or start a trip, you know, have a book there, you know, have some kind of meditation going, write down your intentions. This is part of the the set right, the mindset that you want to get in um, what do you want to get out of the trip. So, yeah, just be be prepared for that, okay, and then so so basically do your research on, like, there's a lot of resources. Uh, andrew hubberman, he's got a lot of good stuff on it. Who's my other guy?
Speaker 1:James Zander, james Zander.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's got a lot of good stuff. Mushroom Checklist he talks about what to expect. He's got just amazing, amazing resources there.
Speaker 1:Okay, so then, do you want to talk about the integration after? Or what do you do after? Yeah, other than eat a grilled cheese, because that's what you want me to about, like the integration after. Or what do you do after? Yeah, like other than eat a grilled cheese, cause that's what you want me to make you every time you're done.
Speaker 2:So integration is probably the biggest part of this whole thing. So when you go through this whole experience, you're going to see stuff that's like some people say that a mushroom chip is the most profound deep experience they've ever had in their entire life ever wow and when you come out of it, you want to implement whatever you've seen.
Speaker 2:Like you know, there's going to be good things that come out of there, good insights that you're going to have. You want to implement these things in your life. So it's like you know people, a lot of people, go to personal growth conferences yeah, and they're they could go to 50 personal growth conferences. Read all these books and they're in the exact same place yeah, because you come home and you forget about it.
Speaker 2:They've implemented nothing. Yeah, so it's doing the work after. So when you're done, make sure you have your journal there. You know you still got your headphones on you're, you're chilling, you're in your space and you want to write about everything you've seen.
Speaker 1:Go over everything as detailed as you can and then, weeks going forward, you'll work through that and something I like to do when I do any kind of like I haven't done mushroom trip, obviously, but when I do any kind of energy healing type session, I always want to record it or record myself telling someone about it. So that's kind of what brought us to the conversation we had on our apparently first podcast yeah is, you were telling me about it.
Speaker 1:Nice was like wait, let's get this on like record, this, because you'll forget it if you don't say it right yeah, so even if it's just for yourself to like go back and listen to it. I think that's worth it.
Speaker 2:So you're not forgetting what happened on that trip yeah, that can be part of it too talking to someone you you trust about everything that went down, um, and that's, you know, a reason why a lot of people like doing this with with a guide or counselor, because they can talk through the stuff after I feel like that was part of part of it for you, because when you came out of there, like you were trying to talk to me and you couldn't even I can you?
Speaker 1:couldn't even talk. You were crying so hard like I have never seen you like that in 24 almost years yeah like. That was insane, and I don't think you would have gotten even like another level out of this if you hadn't tried to like. Then tell it to me, yeah, like you got more out of it because you didn't just sit like. Then tell it to me, yeah, like you got more out of it because you didn't just sit on it yourself in a way.
Speaker 2:I think it has to, has to flow out of you yeah, so that was.
Speaker 1:I think that's what really made me think holy, like this is no joke. And then also jealous because, like I want that experience, I'm too scared to do it still. Maybe one day we'll record my episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't be scared to do something like this. I think it. You know from everything I've read from other people's experience. It's just absolutely life-changing. It's funny. I found myself listening to some YouTube interviews for people from afterlife experiences last week. I just found them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were telling me about this and these people's afterlife or experiences where they, you know, died for near death experience 10 minutes or something like that, very similar to what people experience in a mushroom trip well, that's the first thing I said to you when you told me how, once that like sort of veil went away or whatever you were explaining, and you just felt this just like pure love, I was like that is what everybody who has a near-death experience explains. It as yeah. And then we were talking like is that because, like, your ego becomes unattached when you're almost dying or when you're doing mushroom trip?
Speaker 1:it's like uh which is why you can't get as deep in like therapy, because your ego's still intact.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, it's like you get. It's like you're returning to source, like where, where your soul came from. It's a connection that you can't. It's ineffable, you can't explain it it's a feeling that you just have to experience it for yourself. Um, so yeah, I hope you guys took something away from this. I hope you think differently about mushrooms, because they are a plant medicine. It's something that the earth gave us that, when used properly, I think can help all of civilization.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and yet it's demonized by I don't know who, the world seems.
Speaker 2:Well, it's demonized by the world. But the government, yeah, the government. Imagine if everyone was free thinking.
Speaker 1:And imagine if we didn't need old pharmaceuticals. How would pharmaceutical companies? We won't go down that path, but you get an idea where we're going.
Speaker 2:It is funny that they're trying to make synthetic psilocin, which is the active part of psilocybin when it goes through your system.
Speaker 1:They're trying to make this um as a drug, so they can sell it so they can sell it yeah and the trials that they've been having.
Speaker 2:Uh it's like a fraction of percentage of uh effectiveness compared to the actual mushrooms yeah like you can't replicate like nature's. You know perfect gift that it's given us in a, in a lab. Yeah, it's gotta be from source, so to speak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my last question is how often should a person do a trip like that?
Speaker 2:Some people will only do this once in their life and that's all they need, and you just know you're done.
Speaker 2:That's how you know it's not addictive, because they only take it once, and once you come out of one, you're like screw that, I'm not taking this stuff for a long time. How did you feel? Oh, when I came out, I'm like I'm not doing this for months. Is that how you felt? Yeah, I'm like I'm not doing this again for months. I was just like so, there's just so much. It was just a crazy experience ride it was a big ride.
Speaker 2:It was mentally exhausting and you're like I don't want to do this again for a while so how do you feel now, two weeks later still? No, I uh want to do it again next month some people.
Speaker 1:Can you do that, like, how close can you do them or should you do them? Is there a?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Some people will do like we microdose right, I did microdose four times a week, um, but big trips like this, some people do them every month, it's just part of the routine. They'll do them every three months, it's just, and then sometimes people will only do them when they feel feel like it.
Speaker 1:Cool. So it's not right or wrong, whatever you do.
Speaker 2:No, okay, it's however you feel like it.
Speaker 1:Just on, get on this train well, I hope that this episode um enlightened you all as much as it did me and gets me a little closer to doing my own journey yeah, we'll put some some links in the show notes brian's gonna be the one making the show notes, including maybe his mushroom playlist, which I feel like you should call tripping with brian.
Speaker 2:Tripping with brian I'm gonna change the name, tripping with beach. Sure, anybody that knows, including maybe his mushroom playlist which I feel like you should call Trippin' with Brian Trippin' with.
Speaker 1:Brian, I'm going to change the name Trippin' with Beej. Sure, anybody that knows us from high school will know what that one's about. Okay, well, good job, babe, just talking about everything you wanted to talk about. Yeah, I think that's great.
Speaker 2:I'm happy we did this. You guys have yourself an epic day Stay.